I seem to have this weird problem. I can walk up to any girl, say whatever you want me to say.. if i want to, i can #-close and if im really on fire, i could probably k-close.
but after the first date, i feel like the girl never wants to see me again.. we dont have awkward silences, always talk about something, smile a lot, eat, walk.. and i sometimes end up getting a quick kiss on the lips (quick.. like muah and bye) and then i feel like that's it, game over.

the other day, i got a model to go out with and she asked if her 2 model friends could join and if i could bring 2 guys to hook them up.. so great! i did.. everything seemed awesome.. i was with my girl, the boys were with their girls (that i assigned to them lol) and good to go. but my buddy was doing better than me even though he is usually scared approaching girls but he knows how to talk and keep everything going.

he is cocky like big time and some girls hate that and i let him know that but i guess those 3 girls loved it.. anyways, what im trying to ask is, why can i easily get the girl, get approval from her friends (that we are good) and not being able to even k-close properly?
i mean, we were walking, i put my arm around her waist, 80% of the time we were walking, she was on heels complaining all the time that she cant walk.. we played the cube game and she enjoyed it, but i just felt this weird distance between us. at one point when we were stopped, i said "give me a kiss"
her: "no.."
me: "ok, your loss :b"
her: "not now.." (her friends were around which is reasonable)

Why are you even having a 2nd. date in the first place?

You should've laid this chick on the 1st. date.

She's probably pissed at you that you didn't escalate or lay her.

So why would she subject herself to another round of boring-traditional date?

In fact,why even go on a date?

The only time one should suggest a traditional date(dinner,movie,whatever),is on an instant date where you'd just met the target and you say to her,"lets go to a coffee shop".

If you're going to suggest a date,make it something different and adventurous.

Im not talking about rocc-climbing(that could work-lol)but a bike ride,walk in the park,etc.

Your objectives on a date should be to attract her more,build comfort then seduce her and lay her.

You can't play it safe man!

Better to have the target reject your advances(you moving too fast)than to think that you're too slow to pull the trigger and ramp up the tension..

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oh man.. that was the first date.. i have never seen her before (met through myspace)
we went downtown for the crazy olympics events and it was 4 guys and 3 girls..
i was set with mine, my other buddy is set with another one.. and the 2 guys where really afc's and the 3rd girl wasnt sure what she wanted.

when me and my girl where walking (following everyone in our group) we had our chats pretty good, i always had my arm around her, and she was fine with it. and as i said, i wanted to go for the kiss but she rejected it by saying "later"... and that 'later' was me walking her to the train, she gave me a hug, i said "give me a kiss?" she said "fine" boom.. done.. and she was gone.
then i went back to my friends who were with the other 2 girls. my girl left cuz she had to work the next morning (which made me pissed off as hell, i actually thought shit will go down).
she even told us how she had 3some with one of the girls in the group and expected us to be all horny and get woods.. i was like, "is this an invitation? :b" you know just playing around back and forth..

ps. riding a bike? nahh man.. i just ride my whip. rockclimbing is for like 3rd date i think.. maybe 2nd..
walking in the park is my best option but i feel like the girl gets bored

Thanks for clarifying things Slimsta.

Whether the chick's a myspacer or yall met on a street approach,rules still apply;escalate when possible.

But I see you tried though. Plus yall didn't have the benefit of being isolated since it was a double date(I think that's what you said).

I like your PU- style and views on the dating part of it.

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it was more like triple date (but one girl had 2 guys yeeee).
my plan is to not text/call her today... then tomorrow text her "hey trouble, i hope you enjoyed last night, we should do it again sometime one on one though ;b I'm free either __ or __, what do you say?"

what do you think? good idea?

Lol,I like that you'd call her "Trouble".

That's the ideal name I give my girls-trouble.

Just yesterday I advised a guy on the same thing- calling the target Trouble or any other neggy name.

I like your would-be-text proposal.

Keep up the good works. I do wish that you ramp up the sex' tension when possible.

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just got a text back after an hour saying: "Im sorry but im busy this weekend, kid."
wow. this is probably one of the hardest shutdowns i ever got
i feel like punching her in the face right now.

Damn Slimsta;just as you were thinking to ask her about going out,she rejected.

I wouldn't think anything about it.

The way you phrased your message(or wanted to)was the right way-no pressure on the girl.

I prefer to have the target decline a meet than to build my hopes and she flakes.

I hope you still go out anyway and not let this so-called rejection fuck you up.

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oh no.. ima continue my thing just i was surprised she said this..
i just had to build more sexual tension which i didnt.
thanks for the help though

seems like it went wrong bringing all those people, a single date probably would have been best also asking her for a kiss doesnt seem like a good move, should just let it happen at a good time and take advantage of it but never ask.