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Hi, i'm 25 and weigh 74Kg. i'm trying to bulk up and put on muscle by going to the gym and was wondering how much protein i need to be eating in order to do this. i have a tub of whey protein powder.

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Hi, i'm 25 and weigh 74Kg. i'm trying to bulk up and put on muscle by going to the gym and was wondering how much protein i need to be eating in order to do this. i have a tub of whey protein powder.

Thanks alot!!
The most commonly accepted method of thinking is that you need approximately 1 g of protien per lb of bodyweight (approx 2g per kilo), this is a good starting point.

Depending on how closely you follow your diet it is also recommend that 40% of your total calorie intake comes from protien.This will USUALLY lead to protien consumption in excess of 1 g per lb, but a little extra can't hurt.

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hey thx for your reply!

so do u think 150g of protein sounds about right for me?


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Following the 1g per lb rule it would be about 162 but yeah 150 should be fine. If you are trying to bulk up remember to eat sufficient calories and eat an amount of protien that is sufficient for your TARGET weight.

So you are 162lbs now, if your goal weight is 180lbs I would be aiming for 180g of protien.

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ah i see. cheers m8, i understand now


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You dont need 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight they tell you that so you buy that garbage whey protein. your protein requirements a based on your body weight. Two to three 4-6 oz servings of protein is plenty.


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You dont need 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight they tell you that so you buy that garbage whey protein. your protein requirements a based on your body weight. Two to three 4-6 oz servings of protein is plenty.
I'm sorry but that is rubbish. 2-3 servings of 4-6 oz servings is ridiculously inspecific and incorrect. While I agree that the 1g per lb of bodyweight rule is not perfect, don't come in here and give advice like that unless you can back it up. The problem with what you are saying is that is does not take into account:

- The nutrient density of the protien you are consuming.
- The fact that to be successful a bodybuilder should be eating 5-6 times daily with protien in every meal.
- The fact that 40% of your total nutrient intake at all meals should come from protien.

Not only is your suggestion insufficient, but it would lead to infrequent consumption and an inconsistant diet. I really don't mean to call you out but I am not going to let you give sub-par advice to someoe who is trying to learn. Will someone grow with your quantity of protien? Yes, for a while, but once thier phyisque begins to advance it will be entirely insufficient.

Protien consumption MUST grow with bodyweight - as your total muscle bulk increases it will take more protien to maintain that, let alone gain more.

I hope you don't take it personally.

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Protein consumption is related to muscle weight, not total body weight. And yes eating too much protein can hurt. It's does damage to your kidneys.
If you could produce one clinical study to support this I would be VERY happy to read it - every study I have ever read on high protien diets (up to 50% of total nutrient intake) (which include proper amounts of carbs and fat) over the long term has shown that they cause not one single ill effect. Not even a vitamin deficiency.

High protien doesn't mean you eat a brontosauraus at every meal, it just means you eat protien at every meal. I weight about 210lbs so I need to eat 210g of protien per day - that only equates to about 120g of chicken in a meal, or one scoop of protien powder. I also eat lots of vegetables, fruit and grains.

The basic g per lb method of estimating protien intake is the most commonly accepted in the bodybuilding community and there is a track record of it building successful physiques. If you don't want to take my advice that is FINE but don't go taking the high road and telling me that my advice is hurting other people or poorly researched. I would NOT be giving this advice, or following it myself without properly researching the concept and reading the studies.

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The Enforcer is right with what he says in regards to how much protein to consume in regards to your body and goals.


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Protein consumption is related to muscle weight, not total body weight. And yes eating too much protein can hurt. It's does damage to your kidneys.
If you could produce one clinical study to support this I would be VERY happy to read it - every study I have ever read on high protien diets (up to 50% of total nutrient intake) (which include proper amounts of carbs and fat) over the long term has shown that they cause not one single ill effect. Not even a vitamin deficiency.

High protien doesn't mean you eat a brontosauraus at every meal, it just means you eat protien at every meal. I weight about 210lbs so I need to eat 210g of protien per day - that only equates to about 120g of chicken in a meal, or one scoop of protien powder. I also eat lots of vegetables, fruit and grains.

The basic g per lb method of estimating protien intake is the most commonly accepted in the bodybuilding community and there is a track record of it building successful physiques. If you don't want to take my advice that is FINE but don't go taking the high road and telling me that my advice is hurting other people or poorly researched. I would NOT be giving this advice, or following it myself without properly researching the concept and reading the studies.

Do your own damn study! Eat only one portion of meat a day, but keep your calorie amount the same I guarntee you wont gain or lose a thing by this. If the bodybuilding community is your source for "scientific" information you got problems, if they told you to eat dog shit and bull testicles to gain muscle youd do it just like you do when they tell you to take that garbage whey protein shakes which is a by-product (waste) of the cheese making process. The fitness industry is a business there suggestions (dogma) are not for your benefit but theirs$$$$. Bottom line eat a balanced diet train intensly and progressivly and allow enough time to elapse enough for you to recover and adapt (grow).


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Protein consumption is related to muscle weight, not total body weight. And yes eating too much protein can hurt. It's does damage to your kidneys.
If you could produce one clinical study to support this I would be VERY happy to read it - every study I have ever read on high protien diets (up to 50% of total nutrient intake) (which include proper amounts of carbs and fat) over the long term has shown that they cause not one single ill effect. Not even a vitamin deficiency.

High protien doesn't mean you eat a brontosauraus at every meal, it just means you eat protien at every meal. I weight about 210lbs so I need to eat 210g of protien per day - that only equates to about 120g of chicken in a meal, or one scoop of protien powder. I also eat lots of vegetables, fruit and grains.

The basic g per lb method of estimating protien intake is the most commonly accepted in the bodybuilding community and there is a track record of it building successful physiques. If you don't want to take my advice that is FINE but don't go taking the high road and telling me that my advice is hurting other people or poorly researched. I would NOT be giving this advice, or following it myself without properly researching the concept and reading the studies.

Do your own damn study! Eat only one portion of meat a day, but keep your calorie amount the same I guarntee you wont gain or lose a thing by this. If the bodybuilding community is your source for "scientific" information you got problems, if they told you to eat dog shit and bull testicles to gain muscle youd do it just like you do when they tell you to take that garbage whey protein shakes which is a by-product (waste) of the cheese making process. The fitness industry is a business there suggestions (dogma) are not for your benefit but theirs$$$$. Bottom line eat a balanced diet train intensly and progressivly and allow enough time to elapse enough for you to recover and adapt (grow).
I'm not saying I don't want to do my own study, or that the fitness/bodybuilding industry is my "scientific source" I am saying that they bodybuilding industry supports what I am saying, and that I have no (in my own research that I have already done) seen not one single shred of evidence to suggest a high protien diet is bad. I would GENUINELY be happy to read anything to the contrary - I simply haven't found it yet.

I might add that I was in no way suggesting that you should eat more than 1-2 serves of meat per day - high protien diets (like all diets) are best if thier nutrients come from a variety of sources. Eggs, nuts, fish, chicken, yoghurt, cheese (particulalry cottage cheese) and protien supplements are all excellent sources of protien and should be combined to make a diet that is both healthy and high in protein.

You can say what you like about the fitness industry (and you are right to a degree, there is a large amount of unscrupulous profiteering and marketing people products that they don't need) but at the end of the day the fundamental principles accepted by the members of the community (not the producers or marketers), are accepted because they work. They are trialed and failed/suceeded by hundreds of highly dedicated individuals, many of whom (like me) do thier own research into the clinical and laborotory evidence behind the theories and draw thier own conclusions. I have said in other threads that protien supplements are NOT essential but they ARE effective and they ARE convienient. With that in mind, what profit does the fitness industry have to make from encouraging people to eat chicken/fish/cheese etc etc. The answer (you will find) is none.

Once again I extend an open invitation for you to show me clinical evidence to support anything of what you are saying, I am certain if you look (and I have), you will find plenty to support what I am saying. I say this because I have not found any such evidence but would be happy to expand my perspective if shown some.

Finally, please don't tell people things like (and I quote):
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Eat only one portion of meat a day, but keep your calorie amount the same I guarntee you wont gain or lose a thing by this.
What you are forgeting is that in the process of improving thier bodies they are looking to gain and lose things. Namely gain muscles and lose fat. And while you are not going to drop muscle of an average male frame by not eating a high-protien diet. Someone who has worked thier ass off in the gym day in and day out has very different requirements as the amount of muscle that they are carrying exceeds what thier genetic make-up want them to have - it takes work to gain muscle and keep it.

I hope you and the mods don't think I am trying to start a flame war here. I am not. However I have spent literally hundreds of hours researching this kind of thing and I am not ok with someone who has asked for help and then accepted mien, then being given additional, inaccurate advice which will not assist them in reaching thier goals.

I hope you don't take that personally.

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Enforcer I never said it was necessarly bad to eat a high protein diet I just meant to say that its completely unecessary. As far as the profieteers they are the organizers. Diet is a second consideration when it comes to muscle growth, reasearch has shown that muscle can be built on a starvation diet.

As far as supplements watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfTnVCh0dKE

it addresses supplements and the industry at around 1:34
I hate the fact that I keep having to post this but I hate see people waaste they cash like I did when I was a teen.

this video will address diet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KKzIAu-ms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8uzyTyI ... re=related


heres a wonderful book that will hopefully shed some light on "fitness"
http://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Rese ... 698&sr=8-1

I just like to think I getting through to some of you guys.


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Enforcer I never said it was necessarly bad to eat a high protein diet I just meant to say that its completely unecessary. As far as the profieteers they are the organizers. Diet is a second consideration when it comes to muscle growth, reasearch has shown that muscle can be built on a starvation diet.

As far as supplements watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfTnVCh0dKE

it addresses supplements and the industry at around 1:34
I hate the fact that I keep having to post this but I hate see people waaste they cash like I did when I was a teen.

this video will address diet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KKzIAu-ms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8uzyTyI ... re=related


heres a wonderful book that will hopefully shed some light on "fitness"
http://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Rese ... 698&sr=8-1

I just like to think I getting through to some of you guys.
I will take the time to read and view those for sure but I don't have the time right now.

To address what you responded - I wasn't directing the comment about the health of high protien diets at you an earlier poster (a moderator no less) said they they had a negative impact on your kidneys.

I will get back to you on the other articles you have put forward there and give you my opinons. Thanks for putting them forward though, I am always looking to learn.

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Enforcer I never said it was necessarly bad to eat a high protein diet I just meant to say that its completely unecessary. As far as the profieteers they are the organizers. Diet is a second consideration when it comes to muscle growth, reasearch has shown that muscle can be built on a starvation diet.

As far as supplements watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfTnVCh0dKE

it addresses supplements and the industry at around 1:34
I hate the fact that I keep having to post this but I hate see people waaste they cash like I did when I was a teen.

this video will address diet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KKzIAu-ms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8uzyTyI ... re=related


heres a wonderful book that will hopefully shed some light on "fitness"
http://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Rese ... 698&sr=8-1

I just like to think I getting through to some of you guys.
I will take the time to read and view those for sure but I don't have the time right now.

To address what you responded - I wasn't directing the comment about the health of high protien diets at you an earlier poster (a moderator no less) said they they had a negative impact on your kidneys.

I will get back to you on the other articles you have put forward there and give you my opinons. Thanks for putting them forward though, I am always looking to learn.

Your welcome and may I add thank you for keeping it adult which is rare on the internet.


let me also add this link
http://www.veganbodybuilding.com/?page=news


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RVAIS, I had to sign up bc of the ridiculous dogma that you spit. You rally against commonplace ideas that have built up fantastic bodies for DECADES but provide no evidence to support your claims other than youtube videos. There are numerous studies that show higher protein diets lead to greater lbm gains in athletes and bodybuilders and studies that were done many many years ago that showed kidney problems have been completely debunked now in the scientific community.

I do not know whether you have any pictures up but I would LOVE to see the body that you have built based on the advice that you give out. Based on the populace here I am just going to assume that you are 165 lbs and only care about having 'hawt abzz'. If that is the case then please stop giving obnoxious advice to people when you have no idea about what it takes to gain appreciable amounts of muscle.


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