Shit, if 1x2=3 then my teacher was a jackass.

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Everyone's said this but yeah, just like sales. They give you a sales talk so you can concentrate on the sub communication without worrying what you're going to say.

Sure you've all heard about "The Poem" that the RSD guy was telling when he was AFC, worked cuz he had the confidence.

Routines really are just a vehicle for the sub coms.

And yes, on a diff note, ANY time I go out and think, I'm going to chat to everyone, is when i get the best results. When I'm just out to meet people and have fun. And when I trust myself and PULL THE TRIGGER!!

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agreed bro. brilliant post.

im a learning natural, and honestly, being a natural also means a generally better social life, inztead of just a social robots.

im not against routines or openers and stuff like that. i use it sometimes to carry a convo, but in the end, its my confidence that wins them over.

i see guys who have nvr read a dating guide,book, or even heard of pua, and the thing is confidence. its what they have.

agreed bro. brilliant post.

im a learning natural, and honestly, being a natural also means a generally better social life, inztead of just a social robots.

im not against routines or openers and stuff like that. i use it sometimes to carry a convo, but in the end, its my confidence that wins them over.

i see guys who have nvr read a dating guide,book, or even heard of pua, and the thing is confidence. its what they have.h

agreed bro. brilliant post.

im a learning natural, and honestly, being a natural also means a generally better social life, inztead of just a social robots.

im not against routines or openers and stuff like that. i use it sometimes to carry a convo, but in the end, its my confidence that wins them over.

i see guys who have nvr read a dating guide,book, or even heard of pua, and the thing is confidence. its what they have.h

I think it's just a matter of looking at things in the macro and micro.

Micro: (beginners)
When you start out as a PUA from the standpoint of a rAFC, you need every little detail there because you've clearly never known what to do. All the gambits, the DHV stories, the ways to safely kino...they're basically stepping stones for someone who isn't comfortable with the path. In the micro, you're breaking pickup down to it's tiniest bits and putting it together in a strategy that works.

Macro: (veterans)
When you interact with chicks for a year or two, having tried and tested your own things, and learned from actual interaction instead of a book, you are able to step back and look at the big picture, just like you said. It's never been about running the cube at the perfect time, it's been about creating a deeper connection. It's never been about finding the best reason to kino, it's just doing it in a natural way. In the macro, you know the details, and you know what works for you. You adapt to the situation from your experience and look at the big picture.


I don't think it really justifies anything as being bullshit, I think Mystery simply broke down attraction into the smallest components, gave them names, and put them out there with the assumption that the biggest AFC in the world could make gains from the information.

I think other mPUA's realized that there are different stages in the evolution of a PUA, and choose to present it based in the macro for people who don't need every little detail spelled out for them. They usually help explain the science behind the details.


In my own experience, I rarely even think about MM anymore. I don't think about A, C, S, I don't run the cube, and I don't super peacock. That being said, I know 100% in my head that if I didn't have MM to start out with I wouldn't have made the gains I have as fast as I have.

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You want the 10's.

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As long the facts are: You are talking to a girl. You are getting her attracted to you. You are touching her. You are making all the right moves.

It won't matter what you back it up with.
As long as you're out there and interacting, THAT's how you'll get results.

It doesn't matter if you know a shitload about PUA, if you memorized over 500 openers, if you read 50 books on seduction.

You've GOT to start applying this stuff and simply going out there interacting with chicks.

Don't look at how much you know, look at how much you've accomplished.

THAT is the key to success.

Hope you enjoyed it.

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Thank you Grape. I really enjoyed your post!!!

I believe that routines give you somewhere to start, eventually you can use part routines and part natural, or full natural. But you have to remember, everyone has to start somewhere.

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Social interactions and fun, that's why I'm here.

95% of all the pick-up I've tested is unnecessary, but the point is it gives a guy who is new to the game something to occupy himself with and isn't harmful so long as he realizes it is just training wheels. Starting out most guys have a good amount of anxiety and need canned material to free up their mind to look for other things and begin to notice patterns that establish themselves.

The problem comes when they never think to step away from the systems and instead allow the dogma to pull them into a boy's club. Then it's all over as they hop from one system to the next looking for that magic bit of game that will magically fix everything.

Escalation is important, but adaptability is even more so, which makes routines important in the beginning. Routines are also important later, but only in certain areas and as something to fall back on when things aren't progressing, as you like.

Here's the thing about systems in general, systems are generally made from the perspective of the pick up guru who came up with and perfected HIS system. If your personality is complementary to that particular guy's system it will work out for you, if it isn't it is likely to be a hindrance to you.

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I agree with this. It's good to have some routines in the back of your head to use in different situations, but to execute them properly it needs to be natural, or else things like the body language and eye contact will be wrong which the girl can easily sense. It's all about the vibes you give off and it is completely a mind game.