I don't my story is that different than a lot of guys on here. I was never cool in high school, & basically never had many dates back then. While the popular guys were all partying & hooking up with lots of women, I was hanging out with a small circle of male friends doing what most people would consider geek stuff.

Learning pick-up has helped me a lot with confidence issues. I once believed I just wasn't what women wanted, but since I've learned to keep a strong frame & talk about me and everything I do as high value. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be good enough. At least for a lot of women, being geeky is a huge DLV. I remember one time I was asked what I did during the weekend, & started recieving the cold shoulder when describing how much fun the gaming convention I went to was.

I like the way I am, have lots of friends, but it still seems like there's about half the women out there (usually the more attractive ones too) immediately disqualify me. Maybe I'm just being greedy, and should appreciate the success I have had. However, I often hear stories from the accomplished members about how they started out just like me & got the ability to have any girl they want dispite being geeks too. Did they just throw everything away about themselves and start from scracth? How do they do it?

lol practice? uhmmm its all about your confidence.. go to a night club or a heavily populated area. Talk to every freaking girl you make eye contact, touch , bump, smile, dances, works, pretty much any girl . You will grow a pair of nuts, and will realize who gives a fuck, really whod oes.

Ok, I immediately see your problem, it isn't anything to be ashamed of thankfully. What I respect about you is that even though you know the stuff you talk about is geeky you keep a stong frame and try and bring it along as DHV. This is a great strength of yours, keep it. The stuff you said about highschool doesn't matter, what happened in highschool is irrelevant to gaming after you leave, highschool is just highschool and that's all it will ever be.

Your problem is that what you are considering to be DHV is actually DLV and I suggest you try to create a distinction in what you will talk about to qualify for the target. Talking about a gaming convention isn't really DLV but it's not exactly female friendly because not a lot of females are interesting in gaming. I suggest using topics like relationships, clothes that they are wearing etc etc. Look up for a few topics which are DHV and female friendly you yourself can relate to. Another problem I have realised is, from what you're saying, that you qualify yourself first rather than disqualifying yourself. Neg the girl first (based on how she looks HB7 - 1 neg HB 9-10 - 2-3 negs) which will then make her prove her worth to you then you qualify yourself. Look up mystery's method. Keep your success stories but don't rely on them too often, if women are throwing you off because of it then maybe it's because it aint female friendly.

To answer your question, yes.. Mystery and Adam Lyons (AFC ADAM) both started off as geeks in highschool, now look at them..

Good luck man, Happy Gaming
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I don't really talk lengths about the technicalities my interests, but try portray it like any fun time. I just described it as a fun vacation with friends, but I think "gaming convention" might have carried a negative connotation that "party" or "concert" would not have. No big deal though.

You're right on about me trying to qualify first though. I should never put myself in the position where I have to say the right thing just to not get blown out. Good eye, & thanks for the help.

hey I'm probably one of the un-nerdiest nerds ever - my career is video games, and one of my favorite past times is also video games. Fortuantely I have a LOT of other interests too. And yet you wouldn't believe the amount of times I've got girls talking about video games, even if they only played a few as a child. But part of my trick is I know I can start talking about anything else at any time. You give off a vibe.

With the gaming convention, first remember some of the most stand out moments there, and if you see it as worthy of mention, then you can get behind it and be enthusiastic about it, eg. some ridiculously unsuitable costume someone was wearing, I don't know. But if you had fun there then you should be able to do this. You should even be able to explain it in a way that's funny to someone listening who may not be in on that scene.

And be ready to drop the thread at any moment. Then you will give off that vibe, instead of someone thinking you're going to go on at length about one particular topic. And yet if you think one thing is so hilariously worth mentioning, don't be afraid to push it. And don't be phased if it doesn't happen to be received well, just be prepared to move on. How you deal with a situation is much more important than the situation itself.

I guess the biggest thing also is just pay attention to the vibe. if I did something as geeky as a convention, then when asked what I did, I might get a grin, knowing the "stigma" a game convention has and just say it, maybe add "Yeah I was really nerding it up, hahah" whatever makes it fun and funny. Basically putting it out there tentatively to see how they respond.

In the end, the nicer the girl, the more she will make an effort to express interest in what someone's telling her. If someone was like "Pah, video games", man, fuck that - you don't want to be around someone that judges someone on one thing about them. I was in a tour group and there was this girl that was kinda into me, and I was kinda into her. Overall we had a good time but somewhere in the middle I was telling her about how on my flight over, the inflight movies on my screen had died and all I had left was the TV channels which looped the same 3 shows over and over again. One of them was about how aluminium cans are made. And now I know more about aluminium cans than I really want to know. At that point she kinda laughed, it was meant to be funny - and then I went on to say one thing, with mock enthusiasm, which in the past few days WORKED on other people - they laughed or raised a mockingly interested eyebrow - "For example, you know why the top of the can is not as wide as the rest of it? The most expensive part of the can is the top where its welded together, and by shrinking that down thinner than the rest of the can, they save about half the production cost of the can!!" However this girl, I think she's just a bit stupid, and self centered, actually didn't see it as a joke and started to go "huh, really..." and look away from me. Inside I thought "well fuck you bitch!" And although things got a little interesting for the rest of the trip, I knew I couldn't date someone like that.


Anyway, it's not really complicated - basically be enthusiastic about it, respect that it may not be other people's cup of tea, feel the vibe, and always be able to talk about other things, like try and find things they are interested in.