Alright. I hate online dating, I think it sucks and is a waste of time and effort, but online game has always been my best. I have been macking girls on ICQ and MSN since grade 7 and for whatever reason, it has always been the way I build attraction. I am just good at it.

But online dating sites are another category. They generally suck. Women get all the options and it's a shooting gallery for them. Anyways, I have had a POF for over a year, although I have hid/unhid it several times between being tied up and single.

However, I have always stuck with the funny, super cocky arrogant profile, and it has typical decent results. I get lols and a FEW messages here and there (that I don't initiate) telling me it was a hilarious profile. I know it's funny and I know how to write comedy (used to do improv) and how to write in general.

But honestly I'm sick of it now. I've used up most of my stupid jokes and arrogant remarks and although I totally feel like this is a true side of me that I show in real life, there is also that deeper and more mature side I want to try and express. So I am trying something totally new. It could be a great success or just a huge failure. I went deep into my mind and essentially let my fingers do the talking. The result has been this profile, in which I do in fact list my characteristics and the ones I am looking for in a partner, albeit in a much more interesting and unconventional way. I do like to write, in particular like this, and if anyone is interested I will keep you up to date with its success or lack thereof.

The link is here http://www.plentyoffish.com/viewprofile ... id=8080638
Please do not copy anything, although I don't think it would be a good idea anyways.

Peace.

Hi Molson,

thanks for posting the link to your profile.

First impressions. Headline is too arrogant. Photos a good mix.The format/style of the text is good as it's easy to read. The content is too serious or abstract for POF - make it lighthearted.

You're right and the only way of testing the profile is to run with it for a short while. If it works then good

"But online dating sites are another category. They generally suck. Women get all the options and it's a shooting gallery for them. " Not true as they rarely initiate anything. APPROACH them!

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I know it's almost too serious. I just want to see what happens.

And what I mean is that women get all the emails (as the site says, 100s a week) and can choose who out of this bunch, if they even have the patience or time, they want to talk to.

Molson,

it's debatable on the figures, though I highly recommend making a fake female profile on any site just to see what volume and quality of mails they are getting.

Take heart, as girls DO remember good emails. I've had a number of girls contact me 2 or 3 months after my initial mail. I typically provide an external email so they can contact me even if I'm no longer using the site.

Here's the text of a mail I received yesterday...I've bolded the most important bit imho. I've got no idea what she's talking about Moriarty and ship sailing?!?

"Are you there Moriarty?

You wrote to me a couple of months ago on Swiss Friends... You responded to my Shackleton ad.

I only just logged on after a long voyage, you know how it is, but yours was the highlight of my inbox.

Has your ship sailed already?"

So in my experience girls remember good mails...rather than profiles. Strangely I remember HER profile as the description text was a copy of an ad run by the original explorers of Antarctica

I write good emails. I probably write the only original ones. My last two on POF included:


*After reading her profile*
You say you aren't scared.
You say you like adventure.
You say you like taking risks.

Take a small one. Give me your MSN. I hate these emails.


And that was that. Few hours later, her MSN. Unfortunately, she happened to message me on MSN "Who is this?" and before I could respond she was offline =/


Number 2, POF lets you send stupid gifts for points you've accumulated. One gift is a dog in a box.

email:
"Hi. As you can see, I am magical.

I just sent you a dog.
In a box.
Through the internet.


Whutchu got?"


Responded with a laugh, and an MSN contact in 10 mins. Done deal.


Writing the emails is all about understanding what the girls going to be like from her profile, and writing one according to that. Or telling a joke that she will relate to. But profiles are just as important. The girl reads the email and then looks at your profile, or visa versa (just as you do anyways) and judges using both of them. So far the effect of a serious one hasn't made a difference as far as I'm concerned.

Molson - I actually like your profile a lot and would say its one of the best ones I have seen yet. While it does have a serious tone to it, it also has a deep emotional tone as well as imagery to it. It also has a nice touch of masculinity to it without over doing it.
I agree but disagree with this. As you can only get a sense of who she is from her profile. You can never get the full picture. I am just curious but do you send messages to girls with barely any profile?

Molson, some good stuff in there. I like the way you turn the cheesy gimmick of those gifts on POF into something better - I have to try that.

Despite being drilled that women are not logical in the same way as men I think you're right that a combination of profile and email is important and look at it in similar ways to us.I think they will read a profile more in depth and pick up any incongruities and pounce on them like a starving tiger. I've had it happen a few times.

I know this was for Molson, but I thought I'd give my answer...YES. Put it this way if you approached a stranger on a street you'd have very little information about them (okay you can read body language etc but you have minimal info) Online even a minimal profile will probably have more info. Sadly I think the info is sooo generic it is good as useless. The other thing is that a small or incomplete profile *usually* means the girl is not committed to the online process - just want to chat, or it's been done for fun one drunken night...in short a waste of time.

Rarely. Depends what I get from it. Typically the short ones are the attention grabbers. They put no time in to it because they don't need to, because they just want some attention. Yeah yeah it's not always the case, but it typically is. And for reference I am talking about ones that are like 1-2 sentences. The ones that end with "if you want to know more just ask" are usually safer even if they are super short. The ones that are just "Hi I'm xxx and I like cheerleading." then no.


Anyways, got my first, first contact email. This only took two days, and I don't think I ever got one that fast when I made my other one. This is more the kind of girl I am looking to attract..

I would more argue that you have more information on a stranger on a street that you do with a short profile online. As as you can tell a lot from someone's body language, you just need to know how to read it to be able to pick up the information. I am more with Molson on the short profile tho. As a lot of the short profiles I have seen on POF have been generally from physically attractive girls, and the profiles basically had a "look at me!!!" feel to them a lot of times. This is not to say all of them fall under this but I would say a lot of them do tho.

I share the same view on them as well.

She seems interested.

Update -

Looking at my own profile, I could write it much better. It's somewhat sloppy. But I'll do that later. I just wanted to update and say that I've gotten more initiations from girls, one who is my now target and will hopefully see tonight.

Girl 1 Turned into humour, as always, got a number in 3 emails. Hopefully seeing tonight.

Girl 2 Not interested, not attractive to me, might be attractive to others.


Anyways, this profile is still more successful than my cocky/funny one I had up for a year.