Hey guys, last night i went to a bar/club. I approached 4 sets (all 2 sets) 1 of them was unsuccessful, 1 of them my friend new but i never met the girls before and the other 2 were strangers, I number closed 2 girls and FB closed 1 of them. I didn't K close, and using a wing man yesterday was basically pointless as the people i were with had no bottle.

I opened all the sets up with " what do you think of tattoo's on women" All the girls were HB 8's, whatever their response i tried to build upon it, saying "i don't like them on big girls etc"

One of them wanted my number as i was pretending to roll off, although i got in contact with all 3, i nearly lost 1 of them, and that was the one i wanted to deal with the most.

I'm having some problems stacking, after an opener, shall i use another open to gain interaction? or not? If not, what kinda convo shall i stack? I'm getting their interest, i.o.i's (i.e them saying im not etc) I just want to avoid losing sets as much as possible.

Thanks

Chel

23 views and no responses, cheers guy lol

Hey Chel,great field report.

Don't you hate it when ppl don't reply(lol)-it happens.

I like that tattoo opener;Im gonna use it(lol).

IMO,you basically did great in set.The only thing you did wrong was to wait for their respond then feed of that.

Fucc what their response is.As Matador the PUA said,"Don't wait for their responses-cut them off while they're answering"You stcking forth should NOT be based on their replies.Don't let them finish.That's how you stack forth.

And there are some openers you can use as a 2nd. routine opposed to an actual routine or thread.

After you throw your tattoo opener.They reply.You cut them off mid way with another opener[I don't remember which dating coach authored this],"Hey girls,checc this.Who lies more,women or men"?Let them respond,then you add to that(your views on who lies more).Then throw in a DHV routine or story(either canned or 1 from you).

So to summarize:1)Your tattoo opener,2)who lies more 2nd. opener,3)a DHV story or some other routine.

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you can always use the question "how do you guys know each other."
now they will tell you a little story, and you can try to DHV, about a subject they just mentioned. for example

How do you guys now each other?

well we know each other since high school, and we were both cheerleaders,

you can interrupt them by using?

really? i dated a cheerleader once ... and use a DHV story.
and pause this story and go into a routine.
like best friend test or something

Thanks for the feedback K-loc, I thought i did reasonably well conisdering it was my first real time after joining this site and i'm only halfway through "the game" book. So i guess improvement will happen with experience and knowledge too.

I also agree with what you said, because if i can engage the openers, especially opinionated ones, it gives something to talk about, then DHV seems like the best bet, so thanks alot man!

Also, Xaser, i like your idea, using that for convo would be good because it's an easy way for me to go and then demonstrate some DHV, maybe throw in a few negs about whatever they say or is this pointless?

Thanks

Xaser makes a great point about when the girls say something as far as"we met in high school".You butt in(take bacc ove the set)and make a DHV story about high school.

As for Chelio's neg question.Lets say they say that they'd met in high school.The DHV story you'd give would include negs.

Example:

HB 2 set:we met in HS

PUA:[Cut them off]Actually,in my senior year,I went to France for 3 days without my parents knowing[shows that you're well travelled,adventurous and risky-all DHVs.Lets say the girls are blonds.]I met 2 boring blonds who literally stalked my hotel(lol)...!What a coincident,yall are 2 blonds.Hope all blonds aren't stalkers.

So in that 1 DHV story,you conveyed that you're a traveller(DHV),risky & adventurous(DHV),pre-selected(DHV),and a neg about blonds being stalkers.

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Haha now that K is quality man! I'm going to use some of your material in a set when i'm next out, thanks man, now i see what you mean about the negs when i'm DHV'ing.

Thanks

i like the idea, but if you were talking to me and you began a story by using "Actually,in my senior year,I....."
what i think is better is using:" Really, that reminds me of the time in my senior year...."

and you can always use some negs during the story, if she interrupted you, or pointing at here nose to pretend there is a something there. to lower here value as you raise yours.
or the fake nails neg. "i like youre nails, are they real?" No? "well, there still nice"

and if you are DHV'ing why not use the both items of us?

for example:

Hb: we met at HS.

Really, that reminds me of the time in my senior year, i was dating this cheerleader and we went to France for 3 days without our parents knowing, so we ate at this fancy, expensive restaurant in paris, bla bla bla *** and add that the food sucked over there or something

now add some other adventurous and risky-all DHVs.
its a DHV spike when you said you dated a cheerleader, you went to france, youre romantic, etc.

I may actually use your format Xaser.Its more polished to mines.

I really dont use my own routines besides the 1 I'd just made about blond girls.

I only use canned routines. Seems pointless since I can come up with an opener & stack forth on the spot.

I really like Xaser's spin on my blond routine.Much props.

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I agree K in regards to Xaser's way. Although you can never get enough opinions on the game, that's what makes everyone have their own material in different ways right, mixing and using what you like the sound of, and kinda makes it your original thing. Also i think that if someone's material is being used it can bring more of the best out in you, maybe it's just something mentally! lol

CHelios first of all awesome question...that was something i needed to hear...K and xaser the ideas are intriguing and i will use them in my next sarge...so is this the overall idea for the whole conversation with a set...but then when you seclude the target, is it better to let her talk instead of keep cutting her off?

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you can let them talk. but you must lead the set, after you locked yourself in, so before you dhv, you must be locked in. now they are gaming you.

in A3 you let her talk. that is what i normally do.

Great question Twiggens.

Greater answer Xaser.

Thanks for the pops Chel.

I don't want to hijacc the post,but on Twiggens question,there's a point in the interaction or pick-up where you turn game off. No need for more drastic negs when your in comfort zone and the target's definitely feeling you.

The attraction phase(openers,etc.)is when you should be chatting like a fucking parrot(lol),cutting her off,good energy,etc.!!You're delivering attraction gambits to attract her.

Now,for her to have gone into isolation with you shows she's attracted(and comfortable),so you can now switch modes and tone down the attraction but still control the set as Xaser suggested.

Guys make the mistake of not knowing when to calibrate.When the girl's already attracted,some guys are still stuck in attraction phase instead of comfort building and seduction.

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I agree K, because once the attractions built, if you keep going on your bound to creep the girl out, she will think your a weirdo. Just build and attraction as you said and keep it comfortable.