okay , all this HB rating system , building kino , rapport blah blah blah is just distorting our view of girls . In my opinion it just complicates our interactions with girls forcing us to do too much when we get the chance .

The Most Important PUA tool is common sense . All you really have to do is stop being a bitch (AFC in the games case , I`ll call it a bitch ) and get out there and start talking to girls Using common sense in relative situations . All these stupid opinion openers are completely irrelevant and girls will see right threw them and catch your real intentions . They are not stupid . The game almost causes a cluster fuck in your mind when really all you should do when interacting with girls is trust your instincts , act normal and be a cool guy . No girl is really going to notice all these stupid tactics , they are not efficient . you just make yourself look like an idiot. believe me . PUA is all about hiding your real intentions which is shallow and this HB rating system really turns your views of girls almost into robots . Maybe if we all considered them just people like us we would succeed with them. You guys call girls Targets ..what is this , a game of battle ship ..
No , they are just people guys ,and they will respond best to a man using common sense .

And if there is one thing i learned about picking up and girls (in my case everday high school situations ) it is a lot better when you just go out there and do what you want and drop all of these stupid rules and tactics . Girls will respond better than a guy constantly trying to make moves or using stupid lines. It is really unpersonalized .

And we talk about being the alpha male , I don`t see sitting on this website reading how to be an alpha male very alpha. You just gotta have natural confidence , there are somethings that cannot be taught . Stop looking at everything so complicated.


I see posts all the time like : what should i say ? How was this text conversation ? how long after should i call ?

This is just showing alot of guys on here have a lack of character ? what should i say ? i dont know you know the girl best , say whatever you want .

How was this text Conversation ? do you think it really matters ? the girl has probably forgetten about it
How long should i wait to call back? i don`t know how about using some judgement but it really doesn`t matter


So remember guys stop being a bitch and some common sense all you need.

All I'm getting from this post is:

Be Confident
Be Yourself

Great advice bro...

I can get where you're coming from in terms of being confident and natural, that's pretty obvious. But what made you say that the game just distorts our view of girls and makes it more complicated talking to them? Did you just have a bad rejection or something? The game makes it a hell of a lot easier for a lot of people to interact with girls.. no?
Game for me has far from distorted my view of girls, the opposite in fact. It's given me the framework that makes up a relationship / interaction with a girl, and explained to me what to do in certain situations, and why it works so I can be better.
I luckily have had an alright experience with women in the past, but some guys have no clue where to start so they often ask on this forum what to do, because they are LEARNING. When we learn, we go to people who know what they are talking about, hence asking on this forum for PUAs advice on things, because they know what they're talking about.
Oh and the line about sitting on this forum not being alpha - did you not notice any irony when writing that?

The game makes talking to chicks way easier, it let you know what u were doing wrong and what u did right in the past. It tells you what the inner game is confidence, be your best self, and indifference(a problem for nice guys) among other things.
The real problem here is how to intergrate the game and yourself into one to make you your best self but able to pick up girls. This I think is the real problem letting go of some of your bad habits.
Or lets say if your a gamer knowing the game gives yourself more skill points where u can add to your current self, like leveling up lol.

Also girls dont really forget, They mite not remember that individual situation such as in a in a couple txt each one builds a little bit about who she thinks you are. The more txt you screw up the worse you come off, the longer the connection goes the less the each txt matters but the intial txts set the stage for how conversations will go

Sarging works in the real world. It gets people out, approaching people and dating. However, what you learn from direct from the gurus will not reasonably help you. The gurus will give you a better mindset, and teach you basic social skills but the art of the pickup is not to be learnt by us, right now. It is unrelated to the situation we are in.

Walking up to a girl and talking to her about you gay cats, or tooth floss, or any of the many routine openers will not score you any points.

When we started this journey into pickup, talking to a girl became strategic. We negged, we disqualified, and in each interaction it was us vs the girl.

But look around you. The best guys who get girls are not into this stuff. They're not strategic. They're just really spontaneous guys who are out having fun, being social and don't see the women as aliens. Sarging puts you in a mindset as seeing girls as aliens.

And what's with this NLP. It just makes you look creepy. Take a look at the discovery pattern - I mean seriously. Emotion is not created through speaking slowly and in a monotone voice like David D. Emotion is incapsulated in your dynamic tempo, volume and pitch.

And No , I haven't just had a bad rejection ..at this point i have never been in the game as much as i am now .

Maybe using these routines and techniques have fucked up the way you see women.. but for me and im sure alot of others its made it so much easier to talk to girls and feel comfortable knowing what your doing.. i never had any problems before i learnt pick up, but why wouldnt you want to learn more man you can only get further then where you were before.. dont come here and talk shit about what other people use, if you dont like it then kindly fuck off

Hey man , I'm trying to keep this friendly. I only posted that for some people to consider. And I do use this site for questions and tips but just I'm just not into all these strategic tactics. !!

we're all friends around here

then why you tellinn me to fuck off??

People like you take the game way to seriously. There is nothing set in stone. I don't rate girls hb1-10, i just decide is she is hot and pick her up for example.

I'm not doing pickup to get laid, im doing it to gain female friends and possibly develop relationships with the right one. People are in the game for different reasons

The book The Game just explains what the game is, you don't need to do what Style and Mystery do. Neil Strauss wont come over to your house and rape you if you do your own thing.

oh, and don't be so hypocritical

ahahha man you got me there hands down -

But yeah i said i went on this site for tips and such but yeah i did use the HB rating system in that one . It's just that after that post I got thinking one day that all the tactics were a little lame

BUT - i guess you can make way with them if you don't take them too seriously thats the key .

I agree with you inthazone.

That NLP stuff and the hypnosis stuff ain't for me, I find it all a bit creepy.

But I do think the game gives me a great framework in which to show myself off to my best advantage, rather than being a prisoner of my own shyness.

Girls always complain that they can't meet great blokes, but the game teaches Great (but shy) blokes to get out there, everyone's a winner.

Simples

Scamps

That's one way of looking at it, but realistically, from my perspective, the loner, I am the alien and the game merely explains a method for competently communicating with women as a tactical procedure.