Let me set the scene:

I'm at a club in Chicago, and I'm out gaming and I've met a HB8, and we've been talking for a while and while we're at the table, we're interrupted by a guy who asks, "Hey, can I try an experiment on you guys?".

Already I'm thinking, really? So I let him do his thing, and he goes on to do a kino test on me and my date, which didn't seem to work out. He started to continue and I interrupted and said,

"That's interesting, maybe I could ask your advice on something?"

"Okay, shoot."

"I've got a friend who's got a girlfriend he's dated for 3 months, and he still talks to his ex, and she's jealous about it, what do you think?"

The guy just walked away.


This has happened on many occasions. In addition, I hear A LOT of the same openers and lines, all the time.

I know a lot women who've read Niel Strauss's book "The Game". In fact, it's sold millions of copies. And because of that book, not to mention the VH1 show, a lot of women are getting more and more conscious
of the game. Of PUAs in general. Now, I'm sure we aren't as popular as I'm making it seem, but nonetheless, it's something to consider.

Natural game is, in my opinion, far more convincing than a lot of canned material, and it also eliminates the chance of getting shot down for using the same line that has already been used on a HB before. In fact, if your going to utilize canned material, make sure it's originally created or at least something you haven't heard before or that isn't on Youtube.

I understand that natural game can be very difficult to a new player, but understand how useful it is. If you can just be natural, talk about and use what's around you, then think of the problems that go away.

-Using the same line on a girl who's already been gamed
-Using the same line on two girls in the same venue
-Running out of things to say
-Not knowing what to say
-No more of that "scripted" sort of feeling

Give it a shot! Just try it. Be attentive to the evening, make sure you know whats going on in and out of the club/bar/area.

Cool post man. Have you got any things in particular which you like to talk to the girl about or is it all just improv?

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Welcome.

Yeah even in the Netherlands people are getting more aware of it.

I was at a party last week, and I was talking to this 2 set with a classmate. And after a while one of the girls asks me "hey, have you read a book called "the game"?"

I like to consider myself as a 'made' natural (I dont use canned material, none whatsoever) but I guess she could see how I negged her and her friend, how and when I kino'd, how I DHV'd one time and maybe my frame/body language gave something away that she was looking for.

Still K-closed her though lol.

I just sent her a message on facebook to ask her "what made you ask me? I dont feel like I'm doing anything by that book besides being myself". I have nothing to lose, might as well ask

I like to talk about whatevers going on. Haha.

Think about it this way,

Mystery
Neil Strauss
David Deangelo
Tyler Durden
Ross Jeffries

All of these PUAs have seduced hundreds of women, successfully. Why do so many of the things they try work so successfully when they tell their stories? Because they created them, the lines they use and create are all of original construct. So be your own guru! How bad would a musician be if he only listened to one band? Sure, he could play all the music that band played, but it could never be as good as the original or be unique.

Natural
Original
Smooth

That is the essence of solid game.

I would have just said

ME: "What the fuck is the game?"
HER: "Oh its a self help dating book..."
ME: (laughs) "That sounds pretty lame"

Yes I totally blow off the PUA community completely in real life, then I crawl back to my computer screen and talk to you guys.

Totally agree, this is just like any other art be it Music, Painting, hell even Martial Arts. To truely be successfull, you want to develop your own personal style!

haha , well i was pretty much stunned...first time i got called out...girls call me a player all the time but not in such detail lol.

*gasp* You Goddamn traitor!!!!

Just joking.

I agree though, canned material has just gotten silly and played out. Its my belief that guys should be here to learn strategies for improving themselves and their game rather than memorizing lines. When you memorize, you arent improving yourself, you're just talking. If you are able to soak in techniques for human interaction and make them a part of your everyday life (not specifically for picking up women) then you'll find more success.

Well Style has been trained by them and more MPUA's, and thats what makes him good! But yeah, I totally agree with you on that, plus A method might work on one girl but not the other, so its good to have a gasp over as many as possible! Knowledge is power and the more you know, the more powerful you get!

Where can I get this kind of training without having to pay $2,000 a session?

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There are many ways, go Sarging with people practicing diff methods and stuff, Read books, go online and check out their videos and have understanding of their basic rules, if you wanna become natural, when you go out, try to study the behaviors of the "hot girls" boyfriend, or the guy that girls get attracted to the most and try and reason "why?", watch movies with alpha characters and take notes of their body language and ...

The reason why back in days it was easier to get trained by MPUA's was, there were less people in the game, and also, the game was there to help people. Nowadays, specially after creation of RSD, its more about gaining money. so yeah I dont think any MPUA would train ya from cheap unless you become best friends I assume!

I personally am the biggest fan of mystery methods, cuz it clicks for me and its common sense!

So Natural game is the best?

I am New to the 'player' area so it is difficult for me to do natural game but i will try to mix Natural game with PUA( Cajun, Alex, ....) theory, lines, advice, tactics, words, body language and create my own 'Style'

Here at Belgium girls don't know the PUA community or 'The game ' but they just call every boy who want to seduce them a 'player' ^^ xD :p ( omg a boy just seduced me, what a player :p )

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You shouldnt be labelling it 'The Best'

Maybe for you it works best, but each to their own guys

I still think experience is best... I mean just experience... no learning from books. Because from interactions, you will notice what gets good responses... what gets bad responses. What gets bad responses that are actually good responses (e.g. you think it's a bad response but after she goes away, she is still checking you out all the time in the club)

And just follow basic common-sense rules like... don't be negative, don't say anything negative (i.e. don't complain about stuff and don't say things like "I don't like X"), talk about her (have her as part of or object of conversation/things you say).. flirt with her (teasing is part of flirting...)... avoid awkward silence, but don't talk her ear off unless what you are saying is very engaging

Hey guys. Just wanted to ask something. Why everyone is so obsessed with natural/canned game. I mean it's really weird to me when I read things like that.
After all I think you are here to learn something and get certain results. Why do you have to convince anyone that something is the best or not. If it works for you - it's fine. If it works for you and for someone else - great. But I think that it's really fucked up to divide "natural game" and using canned material. If you find something that works for you - USE IT! It doesn't matter if it is inner/outer/natural/supernatural or whatever.
And think about it - you could have spent the time discussing which kind of game is "the best" doing something more productive. Of course everything has advantages or disadvantages - but why worry about that? You will know for sure if something is good for you when you actually go out and try it.
Don't be afraid to experiment with things and become more flexible in your communication and personality.
And have fun! (I assume that arguing which kind of game is "the best" is not much fun at all) Everything you do is supposed to be fun and make you feel good (and even make people around you feel good). Isn't that what it's all about?