This really is an amazing conterintuitive little technique.

I'm working on a girl right now that I know has plenty of chinks in her relationship. We were talking on AOL IM earlier in the week and she was asking me all these questions about "is my BF controling" this and that. I started out just being honest, careful not to attack him, just saying how I didn't agree do things different. It was like a total defend fest of the things he was doing.

The next day knowing the topic of the BF would be brought up again I built a couple SMT's. Bascially I said from what she had told me and from what I knew of meeting him a few times, he was a great guy and they had the perfect relationship, for them and how it must be nice to have somone that was the perfect fit and fufilled her needs.

She still defended him some or was like yeah it is, but also it soon followed with "IDK if we will work out" he's moving, "he does this" etc. so I knew the shit was working, and I wish I could have been there to see the body language too. What I have been doing now is reframing his controling as being Chode, and bringing up stuff like asking if she was going out because I know he doesnt take her out anymore (cause hes worried dudes will hit on her), stuff I know will land. Seems to be working...

What Chief wrote does work and its so simple to do. I wasn't aware the technique had a name till now.

Once When a girl brought up her boyfriend to me I said I"m sure he's taking care of all your needs right. She dropped the fake smile quick she sighed and her face turned full of doubt her eyes turned away and down and she muttered 'well I don't know....."

don't ever tell a girl to expand her options, she needs to keep her options open or attack the guy that's the worst thing to do.

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What about girl didn't drop the B-bomb at all? Cuz the girl I like didn't say one single word about her BF ( I talked to her via facebook, text and face to face for like a year now)

PUA Dave

Great thread.

I thought i would add something for you.

I had a conversation with my other half about a month ago about some ex boyfriend she had.

She told me that after about 4 years the relationship was over.
The guy was sad week minded type which was the type of guys she used to get before i came along.
You know, on the dole most of the time, could not hold a job down but had big idea's type.

She told me some dashing guy tried to pull her one night when she was out with friends and she turned him down to stay with the sad chode she was with.

I said, you made a mistake.

She said. I know, if i had seen him again and he asked again, i would have excepted.

Curiously, persistance can pay off here as you mention in your thread. Break her down slowly.

I will read you thread again a few times as i believe i may have missed something else in it.

Recently married. leave alone , yes understood.

Its the persistance V understanding if she is worth gaming in the first place.
I suppose you don't know unless you go for it RIGHT.

If she turns you down , then you have not broken her resistance down or loyalty to boyfriend.
I think you could still get her if you asked again later still working strategy etc.
But do you ask once and never ask again.

Morally i wonder how it stacks up.

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Its getting Hot out there.

Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgVbDUMxP8o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nNIPnkkepE

or you can amog
http://www.break.com/index/she-has-a-boyfriend.html

ive been gaming one for 3 mos. now.. gotten SO close but i just cant Fclose invited me over her house, got almost completley naked.. but she wouldnt do it.. this was 3 weeks ago.. she said because the kids she nannies were right upstairs and she was afraid they would wake up and walk out and see.. which was true.

but i think the real reason is bc she said in the past that she didnt know how she would feel around me and her BF. (guilt i guess for cheating) for the past 2 weeks she has been very distant with me.... i talked to her a little bit yesterday, and got the same.. so im just going to freeze her out for awhile.
not asking her to do anything, and see what happens. Honestly i think she really, really likes me.. for over a month we talked almost every day, and for 3 mos. we hung out almost every other weekend.. i think she liked me more than she expected too, and now dosnt know what to do... so shes forcing herself not to talk to me as much.. guilt? idk, her sister who im friends with said she has been acting weird lately too.. so?? idk >?? thoughts??

edit: have to add that the straw man technique does work pretty well.. ill tease her say things if she complains about him like "oh, but i thought you had the PERFECT relationship" then laugh a little.. her attitude changes immediatley.. eyes drop.. and starts complaining even more. OR, when she mentions his name.. im just like "who?? sorry dont know him" lol

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"dont ever make someone a priority, when you are just an option"

In regards to strawman, it's only really going to work under these conditions..


1) If the girl just wants to fuck guys anyway

2) If the relationship has got boring etc

3) If shes shallow

4) If she isn't getting great sex.


It wont work if

1) She doesn't really want to fuck other guys +

2-3) If the realationship doesn't suck*

*3) If she is the type who loves her dude for the good and bad (as in, she already knows the bad, but has no issue with it)

4) Her guy is giving her amazing sex


'Stealing' girls from boyfriends isn't really the hardest of tasks if the relationship is completely average. You just have to be the better option. Strawman will only work if you're providing the qualities that she wants from her boyfriend. If her boyfriend provides those qualities (the attractive ones), then its gonna be a lost cause, again, unless relationship is boring.


The other thing that can result from using strawman, is girl leaves boyfriend, goes with you, realises she prefered boyfriend, then regrets it. No point going around fucking up peoples lifes to be honest.

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Munroe: "I kinoed the hell out of that goat"
Jav: "bashing chodes 24/7 ftw"
Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....