For a while now, I've been feeling like shit over being burnt badly by women in the past. I know this is partially because of my fear of very attractive women. I know I need to change my ways some how, but not sure how.

It's going to sound all cliche, but I remember from the beginning when I was a kid in about grade 6, the first (and nearly the last) rejection of my life. Her name was Sarah and she def was the talk of the class all the time, the most popular, had all the friends and all that and was cute (well in 6th grade what can you say).

Anyways, I was a huge nerd and dork, had big ass glasses, my mom dressed me like a fag (well it was the late 80s) and on top of it I came from a disfunctional home that was overly religious (and hypocritical at that). Not bad.

Moving on, I remember the day I asked her if she was interested in me (I spoke like an older guy all the time, but it wasn't good), there was no initial attempt at engaging conversation, none of those skills really existed for me with girls at that time. She refused (by making fun, poking at and even asking some guy to try and beat me up, which never happened) and it seemed all the ugly girls wanted to be with me instead. This drove me into some sort of hatred/discontent not just against her, but this seemed to branch into other aspects of my life.

I still remember that to this day. I think most of my problems with women, stem from early childhood (probably like most guys who have issues with them). I read some info about Mystery (virgin until 20) and found out that similarly he and many other real PUAs had been pretty screwed up before they entered the PUA scene.

I guess I didn't and still do not handle rejection very well. Hench this is why I'm on this site and looking deeper into the world of the PUA.

Where do I start looking to overcome this fear of not being accpet, I've read the books and understand it doesn't matter, but reading and doing is two different things... How do I "create my own world" as Ross Jeffries puts it?

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Are you scared of getting rejected by all women or just the really hot and attractive ones? If your just scared of getting rejected by all of the hot ones then it most likely comes from a fear of carign too much what they think. If your not afraid of rejection from ugly girls then why are you afraid of rejection from hot girls? After all the only difference is that ones ugly and ones hot. Their still both human.

You put these women on a pedestal. Im guesing whenever you come into contact with these hot women you fear losing them and then it turns into a self fullfilling prophesy when you do oe them. Heres what you do to lessen your fear of this type of rejection. You go in a venue where there are alot of hot women. Then you approach all of them with the wanting outcome of getting rejected.

What most of the time than not happens when guys approach a set and their needy? Of course, they get rejected. And, when they go into a set wanting to get rejected then what happens? Of course, they are more likely to succeed. Look, im not talking like walk in like a total douchebag or unconfident guy with your shoulders slouched over. Walk in confidently be yourself and expect and want to get rejected.

Then, if the women do accept you in the conversation practice saying "No" to their requests for anything. But do it in a way that protects you and your self esteem the most. After that always be the first one to leave. Never wait for them to leave. Practice, practice, practice.

Itd be the most fun to playt this game with a friend and the one who gets rejected the most gets a drink from their buddy. Try it out and tell me if your fears have gotten better.

Good points, I understand a little better what true "confidence" is. Certainly I don't slouche and at the same time you don't want to be an ass. I see what you are saying, I guess that's part of DHV.

The main thing I need with hot women are conversation starters. It's the opening that always gets me with them. Ugly women are just "easier" to talk to some times because they actually pay attention to what you are saying, where as hotter women might not give a shit because they think it's all about them.

I just got done reading the first few pages of the Professional Bachelor. Great book so far, and it's showed me that women like to be the ones in control, when they can't they will usually try to fight for this control. So in a way I guess when you approach a woman, try to appear vulnerable, just enough so that you can move in closer for the strike

Also, I need to learn how to dance for quicker lays. If people haven't noticed, if you are a great dancer, you are DHV. Not to be racist, but black guys know what's up. They know how to move and women "perceive" this as being good in bed; when in reality how hard is it fuck someone? I think we have something to learn from everyone..

Dance lessons, here I come.... lol

Anyways, I appreciate any more advice.

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