After last Sunday when I called the HB 8 and got no answer and no call back I was confused. So all day Monday I did not hear anything from her, no texts, no phone calls, nothing. So I was on AIM at around 11:30 and I got an IM from none other than the girl. We talked for an hour in which she apologized for not calling me back because she was sleeping on Sunday when I called (which was at 9:30 pm) and she promised that she would answer next time I called. So on Tuesday I called her so I could set something up for this weekend and once again she did not answer, call me back, text me or send me an IM. Wednesday rolls around and she did not contact me in anyway so I called my friend around 10:00pm after seeing her away message being about how she "felt like she wanted to die". Needless to say I found out that she was upset about her ex-boyfriend who she broke up with 4 MONTHS AGO!!!! are you fucking kidding me? So after my friend talks to her 30 minutes she IMs me saying that she apologizes for not calling me back but her phone is broke, although she can still send and receive texts. She asked me what I was doing this weekend and I told her I was busy Friday night but I could see her on Saturday. She said she had to work till 9 but I said we could hang out after that in which she agreed. She then told me how she loves to cuddle and its her favorite thing. I told her I had to go to bed because it was almost 1 in the morning and I had class the next day. So since Wednesday I have not talked to her which I think is a good thing because of the two phone calls not returned. I am playing this the best I know how but I would like some other PUA opinions on what is going on.

basically, she doesn't feel as much attraction for you as she should.

right now you should make sure that YOU are the prize, not her. you shouldn't be calling her a lot, she should be the one calling you. if she didn't answer the first two calls, don't call her or anything, have her call you.

when you go out with her, end the day with a "i'll call you to hang out another day" or something. then call her before that, if she doesn't pick up then don't call her again. she'll eventually wonder what happened to you and she'll be the one calling. flake on her once after that to build value for yourself.


good luck man

My guess is, you're hoping she's vulnerable and you can capitalize. But, bro, it smells like a one-itis situation.

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Broken phone is a sad excuse. It's an amazing coincidence that it happened so recently, no? She would have said something if you asked for her number recently, as well.

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Next thing, she has your IM. She IMs you and you guys chat for an hour? Sounds AFC. When I find myself talking a bit much to a girl online, I make an excuse for an exit. This is the best venue to present that you might have a life, and it's so easy! - You don't even really need to leave!!

If she needs consoling for her x BF vulnerability, you better do that in person, as your opportunity for kino may be Gi-normous

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Although the first part showed that you have a life outside of kissing her shoes, you make yourself look too available. Makes her think ALL DAY SATURDAY is reserved for her.

Great example: Taken from rocket87, shamelessly, without his permission...! Make it seem like she's fitting into your schedule, not like you're waiting around all day to fill her an opening in her schedule.

Sure, you can ask qualifying questions beforehand by asking what she's got going on that day, so that you don't take a stab in the dark.


Bottom Line: I'd say, move on, playa. in the off chance that she has legit excuses and really wants you, she'll be back. don't get fixated on her.

This is your 100% typical high school/college girl flake. No matter how good your game is (not that yours was perfect by any means), they still do it really often, cause they are just flakey as shit by nature. Your first problem is AIM. AIM = seriously nearly the most worthless tool for PU ever. No matter how "smooth" your aim game is (lol @ "aim game" what a joke) but yeah, it looks bad to talk on there for any more than 5-10 minutes. If she knows your aim, put up an away message. Disable all that stuff like knowing when you're idle and seeing when you're typing, and pretend you are gone always. Stick with the phone. This will also reduce the chances she'll "ignore" phone calls because she could just talk to you on AIM instead, where she's more comfortable (cause she's in control of the conversation.... she can get up and leave at any time and it's not considered rude, like it would be if you hung up on someone.)

When she promised she would answer next time she called, all she was doing was playing a game with you. She wanted to fill you with confidence only to fucking shoot it down. They love doing this, it infuses them with girl power. Bitches. Typical. Whatever.. She's emo as fuck still about her boyfriend and it affects her daily life still. The probability of this being the reason for flaking out is 99%. Again, whatever. Can't really do shit about that if it's typical dating-game - if you were trying to f-close her at a bar/club/etc. it would be a diff. situation since it's a "now" thing. Her telling you she loves to cuddle is another total game. She's filling you with all this bullshit because she wants her ex back. Not to mention she subliminally loves the feeling of giving you all this false hope - as I previously mentioned.


My advice,

forget her emo-ass and move on. She didn't call back 2 times now. Absolutely ridiculous. Do not call her back. If she gives you hints (aka, talks to you on AIM, or calls you) Do not answer them the first time around. In fact, forget AIM all together. Do not ever respond to her on AIM ever again. If she calls, do not answer it. Then call her in 1-2 days, pretending like she didn't even call (in other words, don't be like "oh sorry I missed your call I was in the shower!" - absolutely unnecessary and you'd be disqualifying yourself!)


"I am playing this the best I know how"

you aren't playing shit, she is playing you. ignore her completely, it'll show her that she doesn't mean shit. you've already showed her that she matters to you. big no no. you probably learned a ton from this so congrats, now you know for next time to slow the hell down and SERIOUSLY forget AIM! It's worthless for PUA, unless you are a pussy and have to rely on dating websites to meet HB5s and below and "game them" on AIM.

Also fyi, I don't recall if you did this or not, but never tell her to call you, ever, UNLESS she says "okay call me sometime!" after a date or something, you can come back with "no, you call me" with a little smirk. this is obviously situational as hell, and only applies if things are going awesome. anyway that doesnt even have to do with your situation here but yeah.

good luck, go sarge somewhere, it's good for your mind to interact with new humans.





btw, i'm buying a used 600rr next season (feb/march probably). and i'm moving to LA (westwood/ucla) in June 08, haha. weird, but yeah, figured i'd let you know. i added your aim to my buddy list maybe i'll chat you up one of these days.

Hit me up as well.
ALways nice having people to ride with

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******Update******
This girl and situation is updated and continued in my post: K close on day 2 baby!