I have been studying and cramming like hell to become a PUA for the last 90 days or so. I think I'm finally there. I haven't messed with day game at all, but as for bar game, I think I've got a routine that works for me.

Does there come a point where you just FEEL like you've got it going on?

I mean, the last 4 times I've been out to the bars, I've gotten laid twice, made out with one and cock-blocked by my girlfriend showing up. Even then, this chick scribbled her number down on a napkin and handed it to me when my girlfriend wasn't looking. On both nights of the F-closes, I took my pick of two women who were drooling over me. The night of the cock-block with my GF showing up, every time she went to the restroom, I was approaching women and had them drooling over me, heavy into kino, by the time she got back.

I mean, I don't even recognize myself anymore. The self confidence I've got is absulutely unheard of. I was the kid in high school with NO self confidence, who always looked down at his feet when walking the halls between classes. Now, I'm the social butterfly that everyone wants to hang out with, who gets all the women.

For the successful PUA's, does there come a moment in time when the light just goes on and all of a sudden you're thinking and believing you've FINALLY mastered the game?

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Alphagame

Well, no-one ever truly "masters the game", everyone can continue to improve themselves in some way or another.

But yes, there comes a point where your just like, "Holy shit. This is so fucking easy, what was I thinking before?"

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Here's my problem. I enjoy being able to pick up women in bars. That's REALLY cool. But first time sex with a woman is rarely that good. Just having a condom brings it down DRAMATICALLY for me. Combined with a low level of comfort between the two of us, it just sucks compared with condomless sex with someone you are dating.

Usually, around sex #4 or so, the sex really gets good between me and a woman. The first couple of times, it usually sucks.

My ultimate goal is to avoid exclusive relationships. I have a girlgriend now, but I'd like another. I just called her to see if I could see her tonight and she's crying and telling me she's in love with me. She says I hurt her because Friday night, I intended to go out sarging but didn't feel it. I called her and she met me at a bar. I thought she wouldn't show, so I started gaming another woman. Then she showed. Later, I accidentally pulled a condom out of my front pocket while trying to find the valet parking stub. She saw it and today she's bringing it up, trying to make me feel guilty and it's working.

I wanted to be the heart breakER after having my heart broken so many times in the past. But now, it's like, I don't know. It tears me up inside doing to her what so many women have done to me. I know how painful this is for her and she DOESN'T deserve it. But at the same time, I already know I don't want an exclusive relationship with her or any other woman for that matter.

I guess my options are a bunch of one night stands, which will keep my game in top-top form with lots of practice. Or, I could try to keep one or two girlfriends around, but ultimately, there is no getting around guilt with them at some point. I HATE guilt. Or, I could be a hermit the rest of my life and watch TV at night.

Life with a bunch of one night stands seems really shallow and hollow. Life with a GF: No getting around guilt. Life as a hermit: clearly worse than the first two options. I'm totally clueless on how to manage my love life. But at least I have the first option available to me...an option not available to over 99% of the male population. Now that I have that option, I'm not sure I even want it????

Does it sound like I'm starting to lose my fucking mind???

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Alphagame

You're hurting her more by leading her on than letting her go. Trust me, she knows something's going on. Women have spidey-sense, and that's probably why she's saying she loves you, she's looking for justification for her feelings. I would drop her, but in a nice way, say you have nothing in common and you feel like you're holding her back... make her think it's her idea.

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I've told her all along that I don't want an exclusive relationship. I've also told her that I promise not to have unsafe sex with anyone else...same goes for her too. She made me promise not to give another woman oral either. This was negotiated by her.

She could have any guy she wants and she's a REALLY good catch. She's hot. She doesn't even need to wear make-up at 38. Probably the hottest woman I've ever had repeated sex with. I'm just not interested in exclusivity at this point in my life.

I figure as long as I don't lie to her, as long as she'll put up with me, I want her in my life. We normally see each other about 2 times per week. Best sex of my entire life with this girl. If I wanted another marriage, this girl would be perfect for me.

All relationships end in one of two ways...one party gets their heart broken or they get married. There's no other option. If she won't have me because of my refusal to commit, it'll tear me up. If she issues the ultimatum, I'm not sure I can make it through without caving.

Heck, I'd be crazy to walk away from the skill set I've developed just as I get it where I need it to be. I SERIOUSLY feel like I can walk into any bar in america right now, provided there are ample number of available targets, find a woman I've never met and kiss close in the bar, at a minimum. I mean, 99% of men can't make that statement at ANY point in their lives. If I enter a committed relationship, that skill set will QUICKLY evaporate without continued practice.

The sad thing about this situation is, at least as for my own rationalization, she didn't fall for the alpha male. I was a beta male when we met. She's witnessed this entire transformation. She wasn't drawn to the alpha male. With any other woman, I could say to myself, she was drawn to the guy that gets all the women...her problem for following her instincts. But that isn't the case with her. But I do think her attraction for me is growing as my alhpa-ness develops.

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Alphagame

I just went through this exact same scenario this weekend. The girl I'd been dating finally abandoned ship because I refuse to commit. It's not that I don't ever want a girlfriend, but like you, I feel that if I commit now, I won't be as motivated to hone my skills and get to where I need to be. That would make me feel awful inside, and probably cause me to resent her.

I don't think you can win in this case bro. You have to let her go and hone your skills. Who knows, maybe you can hook up with her again sometime down the road when you're ready, as long as you leave on good terms.

it's really about what's more important for you man but first things first you shouldn't lead her on. You really have 2 options for you that are simply clear cut

1. break it off and enjoy the single life going to bars and having one night stands or a couple of casual girlfriends on the side.

2. Stay exclusive with your woman. she's 38 and i'm guessing you're around the same age. you said it's the best sex you've ever had so why would you even need to go out and sarge other women. start seeing her 4-5 times a week instead of twice a week.

I know your newfound sense of glory about being able to pick up almost any woman is quite a high but what it really comes down to is do you really want to ruin something that even you say is so great just because you realize you can have sex now with many different women despite how shallow and hollow it is. It's about priorities man and this one sounds like a keeper and she chose you remember, not any of the other guys she could have had.

It comes down to sex with many different women or better sex with the woman you have. You don't even have to get married if that's not what you want. there's common law and many other options. But what you shouldn't do is do to her the same thing that's happened to you so many times in the past and I can tell that's it's eating you up inside and driving you nuts because you've sort of become what you dreaded in other people.

good luck and let me know which way and how it goes

Yeah, Hex is right, don't burn your bridges. But you don't want to string her along any longer, I'm afraid. It sounds like she's getting antsy for commitment, and you're not having any of it.

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Game Mastery!?!?!......There's a lot more to it than that
Well like they say "Everybody's got to have a Dream"

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Alpha,

To elaborate, if you dump this girl hard...and I know you seem to want revenge for what women have done for you...every woman within a nine mile radius will know you're a sleaze. That's not the way it works. Women talk. And it's dangerous to string one along and hurt her, because soon other females will hear about it, and your rep will be ruined. You want females that testify that you are a good catch, and soon, like Mystery, your rep will magically spread and other females will feel they've missed out on something if they don't snag you.

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I've got a quick question for you alpha, because the way your describe how you used to feel in high school is how I feel now, and the way you feel now is the way I want to feel in the future. So my question is, how did you do it? More specifically, did you find that reading about it was just as helpful as actually running game, and what are the best books/material to read. Also, what are the best ways to practice, like did you start off with 6s, and 7s or just whoever you though was hot.

Sorry for pretty much re-routing this post to a completely different area, but you seem to be exactly what I want to be like when I get finished learning about this stuff, and the fact that you did it in 90 days of cram work is amazing. Thanks.

I'm just gonna throw it out there....syphallus is a killer. As long as your number 1 knows whats up and you stay safe - game on. If you intend on keeping her just look for signs that she's starting to back off.

Not even close to being a pro but I'm just sayin.

i'm just going to throw it out there but spelling issues are going to get you killed buddy. you can get syphilis but then again, benjamin franklin, van gogh, churchill's father all had syphilis.. but so did lenin, hitler, and mussolini. So I guess syphilis can either turn you into a well to do successful man or a total psychopathic nutcase

At least if you're going to catch an STD, make sure it has a pretty name. I'm fond of Clamidia myself.

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Let me Start by Saying You're light years away from being a MASTER.
You've gotten a little taste of what Naturals have been doing for years. And now you're using that power with evil intent. You're hanging on to a girlfriend you don't really like just because she's there(Real AFCish). Instead of being a man and letting her go. Ur keeping her around so she can witness your Deceitful transformation into the openly sly cheating person you've become. You're experiencing what women having be doing to you and now your using it against a girl that was there for you before you knew anything about game and had nothing. You're girlfriends not too smart she's stupid for staying with you. But in her defense she has no idea you've gotten hold of some PUA material. And you've completely changed for the worst on her.
Claiming mastery means being the Man you haven't figure that part out.

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So u think you can handle this?