Hey i just wanted to say this is my first day and its has been very insightful
I just started to use what i have learned from watching demonstrations in youtube and neil strauss book. what i have trouble with is the need for good openers, im generally ok after an opener but i wanted to here some good ones that have work well with other in the feild. thanks guys



hey i have a problem, ive been hooking up with this girl who is really into her religion,twice in the past month. we have always gone back to my place after a party and hooked up. the first time i just made out with her in my bed and we dried humped all night. i didnt feel like she wanted to go any further then that so i resisted the urged to be aggressive. the next meeting we came to my house and we got started doing alot of 4 play, we came so close to having sex that i actually broke the passion when i said i wanted to get a condom, im pretty sure that i could had sex with her if i didnt asked,but fuck it i wanted to be safe for her and me. the reason i said she is really into her religion cause i believe she is a born again virgin,whatever the fuck that means, but my problem is i haven't called her to ask her out on a date or something like that, and i dont really know where to go from here, i think so far its going well but im kinda confused at this point....NEED HELP!

You are a friggin rookie to the forum(lol)-2010(lol).

Hey Johnny,why the hell are you confusd on where to go next?You should've already laid this chicc!!

You did screw it up with the holy-girl by saying you're getting a condom. Get it but dont fuckng tell her!

As Tyler Durden(my favorite-dating coach)said in his articles called"Secret Society".Condoms are rational things which arent part of the SS. TD says that the secret society(metaphorically)comprises of mostly chiccs and few men-seducers/players/PUA/men who know.

If you get too logical with a chic who's part of the SS,she'll lose interest. So next time,dont mention condoms(but do have them-lol),dont mention logics.

Whether she's a born-again virgin or a whore,treat her the same-fun & interesting.Dont let her phase you.Dont buy into her shit. I cant advise you on how to hook up with her again(not my fortee)but I did on what to do once you meet her again.

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hey thanks for the advice and dont worry i wont buy into her bullshit, i think i was just up for the challenge. i know that much. your right! though i shouldnt of said shit should of just put it on and went away at it.. fuck! oh well, i have a feeling next time i see her im gonna close.

im actually going to the club this weekend.. you have any good openers for me that worked out for you.

Hey Johnny 5 Star,remember that openers are just openers. You cannot seduce an HB by just having a good opener;you'd need to stack forward and cut the opener after you've delivered it. Ont necessarily wait for their response.

Anyway,here's a few good openers I use from some major pick-up artists.

"Who lies more" opener by Mad Dash.

PUA:Hey guy(s),quick question.Who lies more,men or women?

[girl(s)talk among self,then you cut them off]

PUA:Ok I can only stay a sec,my friends are waiting[false-time constraint].
But who cheats more,guys or girls?

As the girl(s)talk among self,cut them or her off and stack forth with a different routine.

Im too tired to give you some more openers from the gurus.

Ok this last simple opener is mines.

PUA:Hey girl(s),I need a quick-female opinion. If your boyfriend were to turn celebate,would you leave him?

Do your thingat the club tonight Johnny.

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k-loc thanks for the advice man you have been very helpful.
another rookie question for you. when you open a set and neg your target, which she responds to how do you start building attraction?

First of all, you dont need to negg your target. Many guys dont even get the purpose behind this idea and are wondering afterwards " what went wrong... i mean i negged her and everything.. "

Im actually writing an E- Book called " The Attraction Escalation Ladder System "

There are two kind of attraction:
1) Fist class attraction
2) Deeper attraction

This first one called " first class attraction " is based on your bodylanguage/ behaviour, vocal dominance and looks.
These are the factors that make them first " attracted " to you when you are opening the set. BUT, because these factors in it self aint aiming deeper, it cannot form a stable bond between you two because she hasnt " invested " to you in a much more deeper level. There is no deeper connection between you two but this still is a great foundation for your future game. Your bodylanguage and vocal dominance are the foundation of your future interaction because they cover her two major senses ( her visuality and ability to hear you ).

The second one called " Deeper attraction " is based on much more deeper level. This is where she starts investing you emotionally and due to this, she has to re- consider if she is thinking about flakeing you later on. For example take a glance at your relationship with your best mate. I bet you guys share some stuff that bonds you two to each other in a whole different level when compared to a stranger.
So what do you need before you can create this deeper connection?
You need a good level of comfort to create effective rapport ( + always remember kino because she is getting used to you touching her and boosts her level of comfort and rapport when built up right. )
Comfort= Feeling safe, eliminateing the risks and anxities
After this its easier for you to create rapport when she is physically and mentally relaxed= she can communicate with you inside her comfortzone.

So what im trying to say here is that Deeper attraction is built from the inside and there fore emotionally investing is really important. Your outer glam may not have enough power to tie you two together nor prevent her flakeing you.

Also, i highly recommend that you use Jugglers 90-10 rule. It means that when you are opening your set, you need to do the " leading " part which means talking ( you do the 90% and she 10 % ). When you enter the set, her surroundings chance which is causing a small level of " shock " inside her head. Due to this, you need to be dominant ( mindset, not physically ) and take the leader place and contribute more to the conversation than usually. She needs time to " recovery " from her minimun level of " shock ". So dont expect her to do the other 50% and you the other 50%.

[ Johnny B ]

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Great attraction model Jonny B. Good advise for the newbie Johnny 5 star.

Now, Johnny 5 Star,you don't have to neg your target if its nott needed. If shels an LSE(low- self esteem chicc),a neg may fucc her up. negs are more for stuck-up types and bitchy types.

Nevertheless,after you neg her,continue your attraction paccage(whatever pick-up model you use),wheher is canned materials,routines,saying interesting things,etc. to build the attracation.

Remember,do no let her control the set nor meta frame. You should be the one talking the most,directing,but moving the least.

I think it was Matador of Venusian Arts(the dating coach)who says that people of higher value tend to move less and are less reactive while talking and in set.

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thanks both of you for the great advice, im def gonna review what i do. but i also need to know what are some good was to kino, thatll be a good reason to hold her hand or something like that?

i mean what ways can i kino so i would make her more comfortable with me, what do you guys do?

You should've went kino from minute 1 of meeting,but assuming you never went kino yet it'd be a bit tricky.

I don't hold hands(too romantic-lol).No need to have sustained kino.Kino should be for split seconds,not holding hands for 15 min. strolling down the street.

I usually do this. Lets say Im walking with an HB,in a light moment,I'd take her hand or fingers swinging bacc & forth then I'd say,"hey you enjoying this too much,get off me,let go(with humor)!! Its a Mystery move/push-pull routine. If you hold her hand too long,it may creep her out and she may reject you.You should be the 1 pushing her away.

I grab her fingers and say,"damn,I have smoother hands that you do(lol)",then I push her away playfully. Remember,kino her for just split second.

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First class kino when being new to the set ( something that is socially accetable ):
- Handshake ( introducing )
- High fives ( when you say something funny or something like that )
and after this i usually do hughs and shit like that while i put her in a bad girl/ good girl role. You can also put kino into your Stories/ games by telling her to touch/ hold your hands because its important.

But my ultimate favourite is the " claw "
She says something or answers to my guestion and i go like: " Awww, your a bad girl/ you are so affable " and than i put my arm around her and brush her other arm. This is good especially when you are sitting nex to her. You can leave your hand behind her after you have brushed her arm with your " claw " hand and than do it again later on. You are like moving you hand inorder to brush her other hand and than leaving it resting behind her so she is in you " claw " where you can easily touch her again when you give her an slight negg or compliment ( i wouldnt compliment her appearance but instead her character/ persona )

Now, here is something that i invented and is a real bommer when done right.
If she is sitting next to you and you have your arm around her than what i usually do is that i look over my shoulder so that my cheek touches her cheek/ her head. I often do this few times but i keep breake between these contacts.
Its very sensuel and " silent/ invisible " kino move. It can boost your kiss closes like you have never seen before.

For example i have done it in a buss and clubs while a girl is sitting next to me ( while i have my arm around her ). As i would be looking over to a dance floor or where the buss is going and where should i leave, she has no idea what i am actually doing.

[ Johnny B ]

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great stuff guys ill try it out next time im sarging.
i think this is funny but today i went to pick up a few things at the mall so i read somewhere on a task to start smiling more when making eye contact to get one back. a smile thats sincere so i can be more comfortable with myself and make the person comfortable when i open, well thats funny cause i notice when doing this task im not use to it and the reaction is kinda impressive, cause people do respond well to a good confident smile. i notice HB 6 or 7 are easy to get a smile back from and hb8-10 are harder maybe cause they sense the hesitation i had, honestly i feel they can read my confidence level. i thought you guys would get a kick of a newbie story lol

what do you guys think about peacocking?? heard the term from mystery show

ps: i got a friend he is really good looking guy, but rarely guts much girls and he called me the other day on how this hot girl was hitting on him and he didnt know really how to go about it lol

it just reminds me how looks can only get you so far. Im not good looking like him but i got my thing going and i know one day ill be able to PU a HB10 one day.

Personally, I don't really agree with peacocking, it seems like a crutch to me. You should look for some cool accessories but nothing that it out of place from whatever style you're going for. Learning to hold the conversation and keep up the escalation and kino is more important than relying on luck. Be as bold as you want but don't overdo it, this shows DHV and class and women can smell class. Just my two cents though.

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