Lesson I learned about Isolating/Choosing a Comfort Location



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:03 pm 
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I made a huge isolation mistake the other night in my game and wanted to share with the community so that no one else makes this mistake. It's a very subtle mistake that I don't know if anyone ever took the time to consider, because I haven't read anything ever that suggests where your comfort zone should be. The material that's out there seems to imply that you, the PUA, should already know where the best C1 location is. Mystery even says himself, that it doesn't matter if it's 10ft away, just move her. Well I learned a lesson the other night, that it does matter where you move a chick. Some locations are more favorable than others and consideration should be made to which comfort locations are more optimal than others.

So here's my story, I'm standing at the bar talking to some friends, and on the other end is this HB9, who I later discover after opening her is by herself and visiting from out of town. So she's at the bar giving me smiles and eye contact, so I go over to her and open her (pretty easy since she basically gave me the invite) and get huge IOS, kino, etc, and quickly progress to A3. Then here's where I messed up --- I chose a poor location in the venue to isolate her!

Keep in mind, I've been gaming for 5 months and have been so focused on the process and what I want other people to perceive, that sometimes I forget common sense. Instead of isolating her to a convenient comfort zone, I isolate the chic right to the front fo the bar, where literally EVERYBODY has to come in and walk by, including ALL of the people I know, as well as ALL of the people I don't know, and potentially ANYONE she may know (eventhough she's from out of town).

How was I expecting to build ANY comfort with this girl if every 30 seconds one of my friends is coming in the door shaking my hands and talking to me? And then as I'm talking to one friend, some dude I don't know sees her and steps up and tries to target her, causing me to have to try to outgame him for the next 5 minutes, and then after I succesfully get rid of this dude, here comes another guy that I happen to know who sees me with the HB9 and greets me, and in return gets introduced to the HB9 but then tries to game her and target her right in front me. I'm sitting there looking at this dude (who happens to be an AFC wannabe PUA) like WTF!?!?! Are you serious!!?? It's some dude that I happen to know but not really that well.

And what's really bad about all of this is that right after my opener, I had a bounce set up super early in A2, because she was telling me how she wasn't liking the place and was interested in this other place I was telling her about that wasn't far and she agreed to go with me but not just yet. She said let's wait for a little bit like 20 minutes and then leave. All I had to do was isolate her to a comfort zone AWAY FROM the incoming crowd and I would have been set. Instead, I isolated her from the back of the bar to the front of the bar and had her sit down with me, but no sooner than we sat down people started coming in and interrupting us.

So 20 minutes into the game, after I succesffully outgamed the wannabe PUA, who I thought I was cool with, and was just about in the clear, putting the girl's coat on and finally ready to bounce with her to the other spot, here comes this OTHER guy, who she happens to know very well from her hometown, who she hasn't seen in a while at which point (to make a long story short) my whole game crumbled and ended at that very moment. She ended up staying and leaving out with that guy.

The reason I moved her to the front of the bar is because I was so eager to be SEEN with her, but the last thing I anticipated was having to outgame two different dudes, and I definitely didn't think she would see someone from her hometown, since she was in town only for the weekend visiting. What are the freakin odds of that?

But regardless of interrupts and old acquaintances, ALL I had to do was move her to a more convenient comfort location, away from the incoming crowd, with less chance of interrupts, and then we would have built more comfort, more kino, and then 20 minutes later, put our coats on and bounced to the other spot. And even had she saw the old acquaintance I would have had more comfort and more momentum going that she would have still left with me. Or, honestly, I really didn't have to move her at all, considering we were fine where we were at and was planning to leave in 20 minutes anyway.

Anyway, I won't make that mistake again. I'm going to always be two steps ahead on planning the logistics of my game in addition to the game itself. Anyway, I hope this posts helps.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:31 pm 
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GOOD POST! I've written so much stuff about logistics that it just about makes me sick to my stomach to think about but its something we have to consider. Having isolation and bounce locations pre-planned before you start talking to girls is a great idea. Places that are not as loud, and allow you to sit down are best.

The other big thing I will say with isolating is that you want to stay within eye sight of the group. It can be 10 ft away or 15 ft away but I stay within eye sight so that the group knows what is going on.

You don't want some girl you haven't met yet, who's been drinking, coming back from the bathroom asking where this girl is you are talking to. Then the group says oh she's alone with some guy she just met a few minutes ago. You'll have a bonified freak out, and even though your girl is cool with it she has to side with her now hysterical friend.

On the other hand if the group just points to you, then no big deal and she can see your girl is okay.

In addition to staying within sight many times I tell the group we'll be right over there...and point. That way if it gets busy and they can't see us they mentally know.

Logistics are the key to going further with the game, especially with things like same night lays.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:33 pm 
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The other big thing I will say with isolating is that you want to stay within eye sight of the group. It can be 10 ft away or 15 ft away but I stay within eye sight so that the group knows what is going on.

You don't want some girl you haven't met yet, who's been drinking, coming back from the bathroom asking where this girl is you are talking to. Then the group says oh she's alone with some guy she just met a few minutes ago. You'll have a bonified freak out, and even though your girl is cool with it she has to side with her now hysterical friend.
Jsmooth, great advice!! Thanks!


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:56 pm 
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Nice post Jsmoothe, I never thought of isolation like that.


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