Matt,

I'm really not sure what to say back to that. To be honest I don't know what the hell she's talking about either. I might just respond back something like "What are you talking about? Are you always like this or just online?" That way we try to clarify this message and we're trying to get her to qualify to us some for that goofy message. Normally I don't do this but for something like this we have nothing to really loose.

Oh and 3 adjectives I'd choose: Adventurious, Funny, Confident.

~Jon

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Hey J, I was wondering how to open a message on POF if I see a HB 8-9
Not sure how to make myself sound original or unique from other people's emails to her.. and even in her profile she said she's a big deal and people know her

Randomguy,

Sorry for the delayed response I have been away from the forum posts for the holidays. It's been a little while since I've used Plenty of Fish but like most free online dating sites I personally prefer to be direct and to the point with what I'm after.

First of all, I don't care if she's a big deal nor should you. I doubt I've heard of her, you probably haven't either. If her name ends up being Carrie Underwood or something like that let me know, but until then don't worry about it. She is just qualifying herself as someone "Special." There are millions just like her.

Just go with what you feel like doing there is no right or wrong way to open as long as it gets a response from the girl. Whether you want to be direct and say something like, "You seem pretty interesting but I'm trying to figure out if there is more to you than your good looks. Message me back cause I'd like to know what you're all about." or if you something more indirect as long as she responds back and you start talking to her it's fufilled it's purpose.

As far as not sounding lik everyone else. I wouldn't compliment her looks or anything of that nature because that for sure will sound like most other guys. I wouldn't act impressed by her either. Keep the frame of mind she is just another girl there are millions more just like her if not hotter, and you should do fine.

~Jon

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Heya jsmooth, gr8 thread btw.

Got a quik q, when u open with ' u clicked my pro r u shy... ' or something similar, and they reply with ' i was just browsing' , what wud be a good reply? cheers

To make a long story short, my cousin wanted to set me up with this HB. I, of course, have never met her and have only seen a couple of pictures of her that my cousin showed me from a xmas party they were at. Through my cousins mutual friend he was able to get me an email addy in which this would be the way she wants to communicate. I've been racking my brain for a day trying to figure out how to open this girl. I know you don't like to script anything for anyone but can you throw me an idea that may joggle my brain enough to come up with something.

Thanks,

TheLedgeofAustin

Hey smooth man!

First of all; Best wishes for 2010 man! May all your dreams come true! Rock this year!

With that said, I wanted to thank you in the first place. You really helped me with some internet game, and I'm enjoying the convo's who lead into dates. Thanks alot man, i really appreciated your help!

So if have develloped my own style and game, and it's working great! Some times i run into some weird shit test, or something and I learn how to callabrate on things

Just wanted to share something quick with you, I really want to know your opinion on this one

So I opened a HB8 with one of the oldschool stuff. I really wanted to throw this oneliner out again :p sorry xD
So i opened with;
Hey i was browsing thru the site and saw your picture.. and i heared myself thinking; "What do you have going more than your looks? Or is this some cute non energy girl again?"

And when I read her reply I had to laugh.. hard
This is what she wrote:

"Nope sorry, i'm the looks-only girl No character, no brains and no humor... I'm really sorry that i don't have the things you're looking for "

So let me hear your thoughts about it =)

Greets, Phate

puajammy,

Sorry guys I have been away for a bit. You've probably responded to her by now, but I would say. There's never any harm in browsing. After browsing your profile seems we have a lot in common. We should get to know each other better. I see that you like xxxx (Something from her profile) when was the last time you went?

We're taking a shot in the dark being direct because she saw our profile and passed us over for some reason. We are showing interest in her right away to see if we can fuel anything that's there.

Hope it helps,

Jon

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TheLegeof Austin,

Dude that's a pretty shitty setup. I mean your cousin gave you an email for some girl... that's pretty shady from a girls perspective. If he really wanted to set you up he'd get you somewhere that she's going to be and introduce you to her. That would be a good setup. Honestly, that is the angle you really need to be working if you think you're attracted to this girl. You need to get your cousin to introduce you two.

This over the phone, or email stuff can get creepy easy. I mean what are we going to say. "My cousin thought we'd be good for each other, so he gave me your email address...." Online Game is a last resort option if there is any way in hell you can meet her in person.

There are a few concerns. #1 Did he have permission to give you her email address, because if not that could bother her. #2 Has she seen information about you, and then told him to give you her email address? If so, then that's not a good sign really. People my girl friends think they are going to like give out phone numbers, emails are kind of a fuck off thing because its very inpersonal.

My thoughts are basically this. If he doesn't have perimission to give out her email address I really wouldn't use it because it's going to bite both of you in the but. If she does know about you and told him to give you her email address then thats something to work with. Finally, make sure you have exhausted any way to meet her in real life before starting this conversation via email.

Get back to me with that info.

~Jon

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Minus winning the lottery seems they already are man. Thank you, and the same to you.
Always happy to assist!
Phate,

I have to say that's a girl that knows the game all to well man. She's definitely been around. My best advice to you is drop the lines and PUA bullshit for a few messages to be real with her. Let her take her guard down some because if you try to be cocky at this point she's going to just continue to blow us off. If we just be real with her then she'll see it and should let us in.

I'd reply with, "Liar, Liar, pants on fire! I call bullshit, you definitely have a sense of humor! Look let's start over. I just saw your profile thought you were interesting, wanted to say Hi, and get to know you some.

What's your idea of a good time? By the way I'm xxx, pleasure to meet you."

Something like that sets the frame that you both started off the wrong way. You're backing up and finding a different angle to approach from. Just be real with her for a bit, work on comfort, and then go back to attraction later on when she's let you in some. Hope that makes sense.

Jon

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Wow smooth, I thought I had some online game..
And I knew that this was going to end nowhere

But damn, What a great reply, That's some great game, respect dude.
I didn't even think about that

I moved on to another target though, because you really don't want to know what I replied lol

Thanks for the lesson man! =)

Phate

So I'm just starting out when it comes to online game and finding this site extremely useful. I decided to start out with the "imaginary marriage/divorce" line and modify it slightly based on each girl's profile. But I may have stumbled on one.

I did what was typical with this routine and got two playful responses of her going along with it. This told me she had a good personality and a sense of humor.

I sent a third line talking with the line about hooking up with her sister at the wedding (looking back I should have transitioned out of it) and I haven't got a response for a 4 days now. She seemed interesting and I'm looking for a way to resurrect the thread and get out of the marriage routine. Any suggestions?

Honestly after that long its best just to move on and learn from your mistake.

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I have a few problems with online game.
Firstly, I get girls that interested that they ask me out. THEY invite ME out or ask for my number. When it comes to the time when we're gonna meet though they start to ignore me or cancel at the very last minute. What's that all about? How do I prevent that? I mean they were that interested to ask me out, then they decide not to? I don't understand it.
I also get a few girls that start really complimenting me and stuff, and when I talk to those I get the conversation sexual straight away, and we talk about what we'd do with eachother, talk dirty etc. and then they also hint at us meeting up. The same thing as above happens. I asked one girl why, and she said ''well you seemed like all you wanted was sex''. I tried building comfort by talking about other stuff too like afterwards. I don't get it. Help me please?

Hey, would just like to thank you, theres a lot of good stuff here which has gotten me much better at messaging girls.

But this response off a girl has got me a little confused where to take it... she works at a clothes store (i read this on her profile)

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Hi brat,
Taking photos of yourself in the mirror, really cool... I guess you have no friends to do it for you?

Ok I tell you what, give me three of your expert fashion tips and if I like them I might pop in and make you my personal advisor.
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Wow, charming. Wont find anyone on this site with that mentality pal!

Im not one of the Style Advisors. I just scan clothes and get paid. Cant help you with that haha
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Any idea on a good response?
Thanks again

WillieB.Long,

I have one word for you "Comfort." I understand in some of the cases you built it after the fact but you need it before. Please bear with me through this next bit.

Mystery's M3 Model is laid out as Attraction + Comfort = Seduction. Now I'm not the biggest Mystery fan but he has a point. Attraction and Comfort should come before Seduction is started. Now in some cases comfort can come before attraction and that sort of thing but still it's needed ahead of time.

A very common problem with people who start out meeting people online work to build attraction with girls, and it sounds like you are doing that very well. BUT in reality its more of comfort building and just peppering in attraction. Comfort is your main ingredient and then spice in some attraction to keep it from going too friendly.

It sounds like you have tons of attraction. The girls like you and they even think about you sexually. The problem is when they think about meeting you on a date they get this thought. "Well I like him, but I don't really know anything about him. What are we going to talk about?" Then she thinks back to awkward moments on dates. It's easier to avoid that than to meet you hence why she flakes.

Next few girls you meet online focus primarily on just building comfort with her. Find the common ground with the girl. Tell stories, share experiences, share likes and dislikes. Pepper in some attraction where you can but work on the comfort angle mostly and you should cure this problem.

Jon

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