Right, so I am the first to tell people that One-itis sucks!

The problem is that it gets to me too once in a while! Anyway, I was going to the traditional Christmas fetish party with a good friend of mine (a girl yes!). The night started out in her apartment and while we were dressing stuff happened.

The background is that for a long time I thought that I was truly in love with her. You know how personal preference can make a girl jump a few steps on the HB scale. This girl is about a 8 but her style makes her a HB12 for me. You know the kind of girl you would give your right arm to fuck. Anyways, I have gotten kisscloses and so on before. This is my Mount Everest, this is the one thing that I strive to beat! When I beat this one I am truly the best!

Anyways one thing leads to another and I find myself in a 69 with her licking away, (wonderful feeling of joy). She still seems a bit inhibited so we never get to the point of orgasm, Im not even close and Im not giving her anything just like that. Anyway, we got to go so we hurry out and go to the party. Im a bit annoyed that there was no real fucking involved but hey I got further than I ever have before. Still it sucks.

At the party She starts making out with some loser. I hate that! Now Ive got to say that the thing that annoys me is not the fact that Im in love with her, Im not. The thing is that fuck, I had it sooooo close and still some loser comes up and steals my everest! (She knew him from before.)
Anyway she comes back and things are feeling a bit awkward, we barely speak and that really sucks. Its like she has cheated on me even though we are not together, I just tell her "you do whatever you want I dont own you". She replies "so do you". Still there is bad mojo, stuff really sucks, the partymood is down!

As Im sitting there in a big group her and me the only ones not talking I get the angel of mercy you only get once in a lifetime! One of my old sets from 2 years ago comes in and does that "OMG its you soo long ago Im so happy to see you I got my hands framing my face from pure surprise" thing that girls do. I ask the people to excuse me and I walk across (on top of) the table and start talking to her. She introduces me to her friends and my mood rises a bit. If I cannot fuck my Everest, at least I can sarge another girl, just to get even. They move away and I return to talk to my group of people. After some more awkwardness I decide to get a drink. My everest joins me and I am about to straighten things out with her and end this tension. She knows that I am a PUA and she does not object. I know it is childish to get jealous about a girl that you are not even together with, I just dont like people touching my stuff.
I dont have the time to talk to her because the other girl comes along. I introduce them and I go right into the evolution phase shift routine. Starting with the neckbiting. She does it well! We go right into frenching in front of my Everest! Unfortunately the guy she kissed was there too so she could do it right back. Anyway, I get the girls kissing and I get some kisses from my everest, just to point out that, fuck I might have lost the battle but I havent lost the war! Then the guy tells me that now everyone has kissed except me and him. The things you do to not appear beta! I am not gay, I never did that before (ironic huh?). Anyway, I go for it, I would have looked like a pussy if I hadnt!

Anyway I go away with my new target, kept a little bit of dignity at least.
I find a very difficult cockblock. Her lesbian ex-girlfriend! That sucks! I dont get very far with her so she bores me. I leave to find other friends. I find a girl sitting alone on a bench (she has the biggest tits Ive ever seen). I sit down and fluff! 7-8 minutes later we are making out and I bring her to a dark hidden place in the club to have some fun. One thing leads to another and in the end she gives me a handjob/blowjob milking it out over her tits.

Anyway, my everest left when she couldnt find me and stuff are a bit shaky.

I realized that I am not in love with her but I have a bad feeling about anyone else being with her because it means that someone else has beaten me to it!

Ezo

Ezo,

Hey old friend, this is one of those times were I really don't know what the hell to tell you. If you loved your "everest" then I'd tell you to drop all the bullshit and persue her. It seems like she wants to be with you but she is looking for a commitment from you before things go much further from the way you describe things. Since you don't love her and just want to conquer this Everest that might not be what you want...

If you don't want to settle things down and commit to her then I guess keep doing what you are doing...you know how this works all too well so I'm not going to be telling you anything you don't already know.

Best Wishes Man,

Jon

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Hey Jsmooth!

I hoped that you would comment on this! Your advice is always one step ahead of "You need to DHV more and use bodylanguage" kind of things.

You see that for a long time I was convinced that I was in fact in love with my everest but I guess I would feel a lot worse than I actually do.

One thing I might have omitted was that me, my everest and some friends (including the guy) were out on the dancefloor when my everest suddenly has to go to the bathroom, and the guy has to go get some water. You know where this is going. So the thing that puzzles me is the fact that even though we are not dating, we are not lovers, we are not attached in any way apart from being friends with mutual attraction... She decided to lie to me to sneak off to kiss some guy. Its like, did she not want me to find out? Im the first man in the world with a cheating friend. Why lie? Thats perplexing.

Anyway, I guess you are right, I might need to commit to her. She is fully aware of my PUA status and she likes talking about it and analyzes a lot of it as well. I guess, since I go around doing stuff and I have no right to be upset with her for doing the same. I use to tell her that she is a great girl and that sure, we would fit great together and that I wish was in love with her... But as I told her, Im saving her for last. The one that counts.

As you have no doubt understood, this is not a "Im awesome" post, it is a "what the hell am I doing" post.
The problem is not my skills, its my moral fiber...

Thanks my friend!

Ezo

Ezo,

You are always welcome. I totally get it's a "What the hell am I doing post" . I guess the question you have to ask yourself if she ends up being serious with another guy how is that going to make you feel if you loose her completely? I know you can't fault her because you both mess around but... how will you feel about that if you're Everest is forever gone to be in the arms of someone else.

I think the answer to what you need to do will come when you figure out the answer to that. Moral Fiber can be a tough thing at times to deal with.

~Jon

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Jsmooth!



I just got off the phone with Everest! We are now upgraded from just friends to friends with benefits.

In the case of this girl I tread carefully. She has a bit of a different background and panics whenever things are getting too serious, when she has to commit.
I am not sure what I should do about it but I guess I have to make her come to me. It would be majorly annoying if she would end up with some other guy so I try to go as fast as I dare.

Funny thing is, I am already approved by her mother, she is pushing her to commit to me. Quite the opposite to the regular situation but a welcome change.

Thanks for your input, I really appreciate it!

Your friend.

Ezo

You guys are Pick up artists ? You guys talk and act heart broken like someone like me who is just starting out. I feel lots better that even after being PUAs you guys too get dumped and have difficulties in getting women.

Dont mean to be rude but my genuine reactions after reading your posts.

We sure are PUAs no doubt about that.

We do not have problems getting girls, we have problems getting it serious with THE girl.

As you might have seen in my original post this is the problem, I reacted to failure by picking up two new girls in front of her and thats not really cool!

What do you mean heart broken? I have a relation with the girl and Im not in love with her so my heart is not broken. It may be absent since I dont fall in love, that is what I am asking for help for.

You seem to think that all PUAs are complete players, that we never fall in love and that we just pull girl after girl night after night. Yes we have done that too but the truth is that we no longer need to. A PUA is a human being with human emotions and human needs.

Im completely aware that some of the new PUAs try to make it seem like they have lost all human weaknesses and are complete sex-machines. Thats not something you wanna be, thats just a way of holding off the feeling of still being a complete loser. Thats the problems of learning inner game instead of letting it develop. You have to constantly tell yourself that you are good to fight the felling that you are not that god at all. With real inner game you dont need that.

As for being rude... No, dont worry. I think we can take it, the fact that we no longer go around bragging about how great game we got can confuse a lot of people. I hope that I also speak for Jsmooth (I guess I do, sorry if I dont) but if we are not out every night chasing girls, if we dont have sex with everything that moves it is not because of lack of skill, it is a choice. Without bragging I could explain it as, we have gotten past that stage, the stage you think of as PUA.

Hope that explains it.

And apologies to Jsmooth in case I spoke on your behalf in the wrong way...

Ezo

Thank you for your explanation Ezo. It makes a lot of sense
You picked up two new girls in front of her but with all the Pick up skills and experience you have you couldn't keep that one girl you like from remaining attracted to you and not make out with another guy.

I mean, since I'm trying to learn, if after all this experience and skills one can't even keep the girl one is interested in Attracted to them then what is this whole PUA thing all about then. What is the use of all your skills !!!

No I DONT think that all PUAs are players. Infact most of them are lovable loosers (including myself). The Game clearly shows the inner life of these guys and by reading a lot of posts in the forum I can say that most guys in here are that way (except for a few post'ers).

I dont think any PUA is able to pull girl after girl every night. Not even Mystery is that good. Most PUAs I think take what they get not exactly what they want.

That now raises another question: If the PUAs or MPUAs that good then how come all of them (with ONE or TWO Exception) are still single ?

Well... How to start. This is more of a relationship problem. Frankly many PUAs (as well as other guys) completely suck at relationships.

A lot of PUAs can get new girls every night. Especially mPUAs. But yeah, maybe they dont get the one they wanted from the beginning.

PUA skills dont give you superhuman powers it all still comes down to you win some and you lose some. All you can do is increase you chances.


The story behind this one girl (my everest) is that I have known her for like 8 years. I was in the LJBF zone. I used to be the worst loser ever! She knows that, she has seen that. She has a lot of suitors since she is sex on legs. She can choose anyone she likes more or less and she knows that I am a PUA. That makes this particular pickup pretty darn hard! It was really difficult.

I had to:

Get her to forget my loser side.
Get her into my social circle.
Break free from the LJBF zone.
Beat the other guys off with a stick. (Heavy AMOG.)
Pick her up using absolutely no routines whatsoever since she knows Im a PUA.
Get rid of a huge LMR since she insisted that we are just friends!

All of the above are difficulties that many PUAs would fear. Many would go for the next one because of all the difficulties.

I'm going to give this a shot

Haash, where attraction is more about button pushes relationships can't last on simple button pushes. Relationships need work and a greater understanding of the person you are involved with. You cannot expect to keep a relationship going for ever on just negs, or C&F or other kind of button pushes. Hence most PUAs or, if I may, all PUAs and MPUAs rely on button pushes and manage to get fuck buddies etc. but have problems when it comes to getting a girl be in a monogamous commited relationship with them. The skills you learn from PUAs or from the MPUA books talks about how to get a girl attracted to you. There are other books on relationships and marriage etc.. that address those issues.

But you can't be in a monogamous relationship with a girl unless she is first attracted to you. Hence think of the skills you learn as a PUA as the first step but it is not be all and end all of a happily ever after relationship Hell, some of them are 45-50 yrs old and yet single Guys like David D and others who have written books on attraction etc. and give lot of dating advise are single unmarried guys. Why aren't they married is something only they could answer, probably they want to be single all their life (which I doubt is the case) but don't think of PUA as an end to all means.

Marc, close close but no cigar.

The regular PUA cares only for pushing buttons. The good ones, the ones who wants more go for other knowledge as well. Some people realize that there is more to it than PU and they exit the community before they get any good, this is called full AFC reversal.
Some people become good, understand the game and evolve, they keep their knowledge and skills but also understands when and where to use it. Many of the most prominent PUAs of this forum are not here anymore for exactly that reason!

Ezo

I have to agree with Ezo. It goes beyond just getting the girl. Some of these guys are really good with NLP and other stuff that infact helps a girl to get on with some serious issues.

Haash I was reading a post in this forum like a year back when a guy wanted advise on a girl who was raped in the past. I think some experts on the subject from in here replied back in a PM and I knew then this thing is much more than just sleeping with women. I wish I could find that post or similar posts.

I dind't know that there was a word called Reverse AFC, helarious
Why stop continuing to learn and teach others ? Why do prominent PUAs leave. I read in The Game that one of the guys quit PUA to embrase buddhism. And Basically Neil Strauss mentions there that some guys look towards PUA to fill a hole in their lives and when that doesn't do it they turn to God. Would you say thats what happens with Prominent PUAs

Sorry don't mean to hijack your thread but you have a lot of knowledge on the subject that can help us understand a thing or two better.

Dont worry I help if I can!

Why do the best people leave? Well, some stay to teach others.

The reason for not learning more is that they already get the results they want. As you progress you get girls easier. You start filling that hole inside, the need for attention, the need for approval. After a while you realize that your inner game has caught up with you. You realize that pussy will not fill your holes (technically they are holes too). You realize that by getting more confident you have the strenght to deal with your true issues. You no longer need sex for validation.

Pickup becomes secondary and not as important. You know you can pull a girl if you need to and you dont have to prove anything to anyone.

There are still some of us here to help out and I am very happy about it! As you may have seen, I got a great response from Jsmooth, you would do well to remember his name, he knows more things than you could imagine. He has helped me out a lot!

Thanks!

Ezo

Sorry but an alpha male does not kiss other dudes PERIOD.

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After reading this I believe the best thing for you to do would be to forget about this girl but I doubt you will so heres a few questions for you.

Regarding the friends with benefits. What rules you will you have? How many times you will see her per week? How will you keep her attracted to you? Are you doing this to try to keep the realtionship going and get her back?

Just asking because without having some sorts of rules to differentiate the FB from the past relationship your just asking for problems.