Women are constantly giving people in LTRs shit. It's for this reason that I don't think I could ever keep one going past about 3 months or so, when the passion wasn't what it once was at the begining.

If you're atleast a semi decent pickup artist and can get atleast 1 girl every time you go out - why are you keeping up stale relationships when there's arguments? You know you'll just fall just the same for a different girl the same way, so why not end it early when things are constantly bad?

Hey Luciiz,I feel you.

But believe it or not,the ultimate goal in PU is to eventually get pair-bonded or get a girl to actually be with.

You cant be playing the field at age 80(lol)so your goal should be to eventually meet a solid chic.

However,dont settle pre-maturely. I've been in a LTR for a year now and I struggle since the attraction has faided a lot. But Im not gonna leave just to get another chic and it fades also(same cycle again).What I do is make the rela' interesting by incorporating new things.

But I hear you though,women and relation'are so fucking full-a-shit but...(lol).

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Relationships are different than PU (I have replied back my views at length to someones post). relationships need constant work and you can't just move away from a relationship because its going south. Agreed some relationships aren't worth salvaging but rather than nexting the girl use that as a learning experience for the next relationship you might have.

Unlike most of the PUAs in here (I dont consider myself a PUA) I have been able to be in Multiple relationships for 1-1 1/2 years. Some after 1yr end up becoming good friends even after the romantic relation ends and you part on a good note. They are still my beer, movie or threater buddies

So are we saying that Zip and other female (wanna be) PUAs in here suck at relationships. I am not contesting your comment but would like to make sure that we understand your comment correctly.

I have been seeing quite a few post lately where some guys are questioning whether MPUAs who claim that they can attract any girl find it difficult to hold on to a relationship. I would admit that I too have my doubts about an MPUAs ability to hold on to relationships.

Hobbit, kindly help us understand this.

MPUA or PUa's have often fucked up values.... but above all we get alot of girls in our life - Most of them are damaged goods and they tend to damage us while we care about them.
the more girls you have/attract the bigger the chance you attract someone with problems and the girls with problems are easy to attract.
there is no such thing as a perfect relationship or perfect partner , people will always be posting or asking advice.

in fact everyone sucks at relationships , we all had more than one GF - MPUA PUA have often some skills in psychology or something like that and that's why we can understand some things regular people don't do. in short terms : we understand woman little bit better than other men who aren't into gaming.

when you got into a relationship you will always have some doubts or problems, sometimes it's not the ability but the uncontrollable emotions as love.

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I'll post as one of those suckers with one-itis...haha. I've been truly happily married for 3 years now, but me and my wife come on to this board and read. To me its all about the education and one of the best ways to educate yourself in the relationship area is to study REAL people with REAL problems. Not some relationship advice Author or for Gods sake TV!!

We also both believe that the same rules that you use in the begining of the relationship are the same rules that work best in a LTR. I know- I know Dr Phil would totally disagree !!! I'll give you one short example: Let's say my wife is giving someone else iois (I just posted on this topic yesterday) now as her "husband" I have every right to pull her aside and tell her about my "feelings" and how my "feelings" are hurt, blah blah blah.... But I know the best way to handle it is just like a true PUA... Blow it off cause im not worried about some AFC talking to my wife... In fact I will go elicit some iois from someone else in the mean time and 10 times outta 10 she'll have her arm around mine within 60 seconds...

Now keep in mind this is just one example and before you even ask NO, you can't play all the games!! No K-closes for me! Haha... But my point is this forum is filled with honest, real, imperfect people stepping up to the plate and pouring their heart out anonomously... We aren't doing it to brag (unless you F-closed an HB10 in 3 hours - Hell even then your no closer to finding your "soulmate" because who wants to marry a whore!) We are all here to figure out how to navigate successfully through our relationships...
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I find PU Rules to be the best advice anyone could follow whether you"ve known someone for 5 minutes or 5 years... Besides when has acting like an AFC gotten you anywhere !!

Lack of experiencing :dr. phil is a smart guy and is capable of analyzing most problems .. i truly respect him. however he is a guy that has grown up in last generation of people with different problems. He deals with people that have certain problems but he didn't experience those problems himself.....

to understand you experience: did he use heroine ? no he didn't - he can help someone but he didn't experience it so he cannot fully understand it. you have SOO many more screwed up people nowadays. 2 of my GFs ( one of them my fiance ) cheated on me, a pregnancy destroyed one of my relationships, i had a immature GF , i had a GF with drug problems and i had a girlfriend who endured serious abuse for months by her ex-BF.
i had drug problems and all those kind of shit..... i fully understand how screwed up people are because i was ( or am ) screwed up myself.

Why some PU / PUA rules are so effective in relationships : because they teach you your the most important person in a relationship and therefore you become less vulnerable and frustrated when problems arise, most guys are AFC out of ignorance - they have a GF and treat her like she's the center of the universe while she could have fucked dozens/cheated of men.
if your relationship is really solid you could pull her aside, but most relationships aren't solid nowadays and most of them are not marriages - the marriage/divorce rate are high with a reason.
i told girlfriends how i felt when she gave IOIs to other guys, most of them didn't give a shit - they are taking it like you are controlling their life BUT what i really discovered is a lack of love/respect from their side. i would never IOI another girl in her presence. We all learn from eachother on this board.. that's why i like it

ps : i had to take a doctor phil picture

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ONE QUESTION THEN: If you shouldn't apply PUA rules in a LTR then at what point should you stop abiding by these rules and what new rules are you supposed to start living by? Im not asking sarcasticly - I just wanna know everyone's opinion...

Well Put !! I agree wholeheartedly....

This is my first post in a long time. I have been with my current GF since last Feb. (May it became official but it was always exclusive.) We are doing good. We get into stupid fights from time to time but its always something trivial in the grand scheme of things.

I know I have something real. I can feel it. I will probably marry this girl (yikes) one day.

My point? Dont let the small things bog down your relationship! Everyone fights, its healthy now and then. Plus, when you spend most of your time with your sig. other, who else do you have to bitch at??? You gotta speak your mind sometimes.

My GF knows, I will only dump her (and with the quickness) if she cheats on me. Everything else we can workout. (She will say the same thing to me, but has told me she would probably take me back if I cheated on her, lol. I NEVER would or could cheat tho.)

May be important to note; we are in agreement when it comes to religion and politics and life goals. I personally believe you must go 3 for 3 on these for a relationship to continue to grow and get stronger.

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I hear ya. But I think the reason most PUA's stick around and want advice is - necause sure - it's good to have a girl to mess around and sleep with - but it (at least for me) is a rarity to find a girl you actually want to presure a relationship with. Once you find that girl... you want to try hard to keep her. At least in my shoes.

not to mention if the sex is great and she is actually someone who value's you and works hard to please YOU. those girls are hard to come by.

I have distanced myself from the forums since my relationship has progressed, I started to realize the only people that come on here are people that haven't figured out their own relationships.

PUA will get you into a relationship, but its your actions and your own self analysis that keeps you there.

Its like reading a job interviewing guide, it'll get you the job but its not going to guide you through you career in the following years. Alot of the elements are the same but for the most part you really have to do what you feel is right