Not often I ask for help in this section but here goes.

Main question, how do I get a girl to fall for real?

Protagonists: Ezo, Everest (HB7.5)
Antagonists: Other guys

Where I am at. A friends with benefits relationship (more or less).
Where I wanna go: More serious!

The good parts: Every time we see, we kiss. We had sex. I am awesome . We have got a great connection. Her mother likes me. She knows that I am a PUA and accepts it. I dont see her very often since she is living in my old home town which I am currently not (But planning to return to soon).

The bad parts: She knows that I am a PUA and she accepts it. She has problems to commit and turns tail as soon as something gets too serious. We dont see very often which makes it easy for me to keep it slow and nice. She is a player of my magnitude or worse. She is dating other people as well and so am I.


So we have got a relationship where everything seems to go allright as long as we can say that it is not serious and that we can run away at any time. I cannot push it since she gets scared and turns tail. She has major problems of letting people into her life, she is 27 and has had 1 serious boyfriend in her entire life. Not for lack of boys though. I need help to get a connection, to get in flying under the radar and to become a part of her life in a way that seems natural.
(This is not a pickup, this is a development of the relationship.)

I have never had this problem before. My other girls has normally fallen in love with me without me doing anything. Im lost!

I would appreciate any help here since I actually care about this girl but at the moment risk ending up like all the other losers. Heart torn out in the gutter. I love her but Im not in love with her, todays truth.

Thanks for any help guys!

Ezo

Thanks Hobbit!

Yeah! I think the emotionally invested part is the card I play! We rarely have the chance to have sex since none of us are living alone at the moment and we kind of keep it a secret.

Ezo

I´ll try everything! Hell I even tried talking to my mom... Thats retarded!

This has nothing to do with her and everything to do with you.

Other than the fact that she's a fidgety chick who can't seem to commit to a relationship, is she soooo different from any others? BEFORE you ask, "How can I get a non-committing girl to COMMIT," ask yourself, "Why do I need to MAKE a non-committing girl, commit to me?"

Figure this out first.

This Forum just got more interesting haha We have an exp. PUA who on any given day have no problems in pulling girls. And now wants a commitment from a girl who isn't willing to commit . If it would have been any body else than Kasabi's advise would be the best. But knowing that you are far ahead in the game this sounds like a real challenge and a thread that I'd like to follow to see the out come.

I'm trying so experts kindly dont pounce on me

Its important to know why is she 'scared' of commitments in the first place. You cant fix a problem without knowing where it stems from. Its no suprise that this girl is in her late 20s; late 20s and early 30s would have been my guess. My guess is her model of a perfect relationship, probably her parents or her grand parents etc. someone who she was close to or believed in their relation was broken because of cheating or betrayal.

Or, a very weak reason but still valid is that she must have been treated badly by guys (more than once) early in her life. I think the first one is more the case than the second but it doesn't hurt to put it out there.

If you are comfortable and want to, could you provide some details about this girl. Her relationships with others, her family.

Contrary to the Hobbit's advise I wouldn't do any gifts because any signs or feeling of a commitment or emotional investment from her would 'scare' her away.

Whats working for you is that you are sleeping with her

Whats not working for you is that you guys are not in the same town and cannot control that other guys are hitting on her and 'getting some'.

Though tough, I would let her feel that she is free to do anything she wants but would not pick up other girls or talk about my 'adventures' with other girls with Everest. I'd try to show her that its OK for her to sleep around but so far as I'm concerned I'm OK with not being the guy who lives that lifestyle anymore.

Knowing your skill level with women, I'm interested in following how you pull Everest. Could you incl. some more details about her life.

Thanks Kasabi!

Maybe I wasnt clear enough. From my point of view I have not yet made it clear to her that I am the best choice ever. In part because I dont think that I deserve her still, that I will not have a chance. I guess it is my old fears rising up again.

Still, I dont know what I need to do to make her commit, any help here?

I might add that this is the kind of girl that my old friends will tell me "angels will fly out of your ass before she would even look at you, you have no chance".

And, an update, I have a date with her on tuesday.

I will go on a looong trip so I wont see her for a while (automatic freeze out). I need to get myself a get into her life card to use when I return.

And I need to find a way to distinguish myself from the other losers she will date while Im gone. I count on her inability to keep a relation. So basically I need a way to connect deeeeeeply and find a way to make myself stand out, be apart from everybody else. I need to be a legend the unachievable one, the one that got away. The exception. If I could only figure out how!

The famous and timeless : neil strauss quote here to help

To get a woman, you have to be willing to risk losing her. - Neil Strauss The Game p.94

(obsessed - Haha, I think so)

Your best bet in this type of situation is first: let go of the outcome, as you have done so many times, needyness is portrayed soooo easily, even with your experience ezo.

You must not get caught up in oneitis either, that will diminish you.

BUT YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT,
so on to the game:

You are going to have to play the push pull HARD. MAJOR PUSH PULL.
I am assuming since she is a player too that she has been playing with you, and that she is quite unneedy (or acts that way) HOWEVER

THE BEST PART ABOUT CHICKS IS, every time you have sex, a little hormone gets released throughout her body at orgasm, called OXYTOCIN! here to save you, this hormone increases feelings toward whatever person they are with (evolutionary psychology would explain it to keep the mate for the sake of the children to be, and the protection of the wife.)

If you remember the old school game, the unrefined game where you could get girls to fall in love with you and then you are stuck with them - haha, thats where the term psycho bitch was coined. (and the tech n9ne hit!)

We would employ techniques of ALL ATTENTION, NO ATTENTION, every other day (every other week for busy chicks - non needy girls)

You are gonna have to start thinking with the bigger (hopefully) of your two heads, and get some other girls lined up.

If she wants to hang out, its up to YOU and not her, and you are gonna blow her off and come back with a lame excuse (family time etc.)

You are going to break the rules in the bedroom, and show losing interest:
Broken eye contact, uninterested during the beginning, END THE NIGHT STRONG, but when you first see her, don't act soo cool.

AS YOU KNOW, don't respond to one word texts, or texts that requre one word answers, as a general rule, ignore one message out of 3, just pick one and delete it, if questioned, say you never got it, she can see ur phone if you like.

Goodluck, going back to the dark side can be tough Hope you get her, and I hope it works out.

-Spice

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What I meant was . . .

She's a girl with 2 arms, 2 legs, brains, and looks. . . and she doesn't like to commit.

Trying to make her commit is like trying to take one of her arms off. As PUA's, we sit back and chuckle at the thought that a woman can "change us". We either commit or we don't commit. Yet, we sit here thinking that we can actually CHANGE the woman! Maybe think about giving her this respect instead of strategizing some little game. Turn this around. . . What could a girl do to you to make you commit to her? (When you don't want to) Probably . . . NOT MUCH.

Ask yourself, "what are the qualities this girl has over other girls?" (Is there a possibility that the quality that attracts you the most is the fact that she is unavailable?) No shame in that . . . if this didn't work, we wouldn't have the push/pull concept would we?

If she was at all open to the idea of commitment, I'm pretty sure that she would let you know one way or another. And if she did let you know one way or another, I'm sure you'd already have a strategy.

Well, we kinda broke up yesterday. Or rather I willingly went into the LJBF zone to save the friendship. Yes thats right, Im one of the few who actually value friends even if they are hot and sexy.

And... my chances will probably be better along the way. Now she is just being impossible, later on, maybe maybe not.

True, I had actually considered that. Part of why I like her is her inability to commit. I wouldnt dream of changing her! Thanks Kasabi!

Ezo

someone who isn't committing isn't worth the effort , she has to deserve you to !

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