wackjacko i completely agree with your points on introverts being analytical. i am an ISTJ and i have observed that i am able to understand and analyse the way people think and react.

i believe the appeal women see in intro-alphas come from the fact that we are not easy to read. extroverts, being outgoing, tell a lot about themselves through their actions. they leave so little to the imagination that while they can get women's attention easily, they also lose it just as quickly. however, introverts being introverts, women see us as a challenge. what is he thinking of me? does he find me attractive? since we do not let them know our thoughts, they get more intrigued by us. they want to break through our "walls" and so they qualify themselves to us. they want to be the one we open our souls to.

another advantage that we have over the so called life-of-the-party is the intensity of our attention. this is very seductive. when we focus on someone and listen to her intently, she gets into a sort of trance simply with the intensity of our stare. i myself have no problem keeping eye contact and i have noticed that when having an intimate convo with someone, i look deep into her eyes that everything else seems to get blocked out. it is as though we are in a bubble where everything else is blurred. picture this in your minds, you are talking with a girl in a club or a bar. you are both sitting down, talking to each other. your face less than a foot away from hers. you stare deeply and intensely into her eyes. in your peripheral vision you see her lips moving. you hear her words coming in as though she were whispering. the music, a very faint sound in the background. feel how intense and intimate the conversation is.

how seductive do you think that will be for her? on a side note, did my nlp work on you guys?

for an introvert to be alpha, he must be very confident about himself. this can be brought on by a number of things. for me, it's my looks, intellect, comfortability with women and intense passion. however, i also do play extrovert at times, depending on what the situation needs. this is one of the many advantages a true introverted alpha has over our extroverted counterparts. TRUE intro-alphas can play extrovert when need be. extroverts cannot become introverts. notice i used the word become. introverts being distant and unattached can easily internalize the role they want to portray, that is why there are a lot of very successful introverts in hollywood not to mention mPUAs.

guess by your definition I'm introvert alpha... also deeply analytical being a computer programmer (ok, so I'm guessing maybe not too many programmer alphas out there... but actually I can do anything well, *if I'm interested*)

you do speak the truth about "intimacy" or whatever you'd call it. Basically if I want a girl to kiss me, I simply have here close by... talk to her... and look into her eyes a tad deeply... then she simply starts to slow down in mid sentence and positions herself to be kissed passionately...

actually you are right, never really thought about that... but the music does seem to fade out... and definitely the girl would be feeling the same thing

in bed I give the girls deep looks (if I really like them) but actually it doesn't mean anything, it is just a thing I do without thinking... after this the girl is nuts about me (might be an interesting thing for some of you guys that don't do this, to practice

my greatest skill, imo, is the ability to spark instant interest and strong attraction with hot babes simply by looking at them directly... often they put on a show just for me and it lasts a long f*ckin time

sometimes even though I think I'm being obvious, I guess you hit the nail on the head... girls will look at me with a deep "trying to figure you out" expression... sometimes these (hot ass) girls will say shit like "why don't you tell me I'm beautiful?? all the other guys do"

only thing I don't understand is your comment about extrovert alphas being able to easily get attention but lose it just as easily... I would not consider a guy who loses girls attention easily an alpha

rich, also do you have the same thing where the hotter the girl, the more likely she is to be trying to get your attention? I still can't precisely figure out why this is... do you have any thoughts on the matter?

i mean the extro alpha does not have a chance against an intro alpha simply because with him, you see what you get. they lose the interest of the target when there is an intro-alpha present in the set. that is why good PUAs can AMOG jocks out of sets. take note i'm referring to natural extro-alphas here alright? remember, women take a lot of things into consideration before selecting who she wants to hook up with. ie who's the most interesting, the most successful, the top of the food chain. do you get where i'm getting at here?

as for the hotter the chick, the more they qualify themselves, it's because ALL hot/pretty chicks are insecure. in fact, their beauty had made them so insecure they are some of the easiest to seduce. for this, i suggest you read the art of seduction by robert greene. also, try to find time to read his 48 laws of power book. both can be very helpful in developing your game. since they're hot, they easily get most men eating on their palms and they get almost anything they want in an instant. that is why if you hold back your attention from them, the more they value it. and not just attention. when you don't open up to them, the more they want to get to know you, this is true for all women. they want to be the one you open up to because it is a huge ego boost for them. they are now the ones prizing you, putting you on a pedestal. then you can make her do whatever you want. you suggest to her that if she continues to please you, you will let her through. then kabaam next thing you know you're making her do your wildest fantasies. although it's easier said than done but that's basically how it goes.

was i able to answer your questions well enough?

sure... )

world sure would be boring without chics

"introverted alpha" is bullshit. there is no such thing, there are just guys that are in a situation where they have no need to mingle because people come to them. If you see a guy who stands in a corner but always has at least 2 women around him its not because he is introverted.

this just reminded me of James Bond,
he really doesn't make much effort chasing girls, and he's not that high-energy guy, he always says the least possible and in the end he fucks the hottest girls in every movie.
I know that is fiction, but I always wondered if it would work, and in the past weeks I realized I could!

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about james bond...

he absolutely relentlessly pursues at least one woman in every film. In most of the movies the main female character is affiliated with the enemy in some way and he gets her to flip sides or else run away with him.

Yeah yeah, I remember watching a few Bond movies, I liked them. He's so extroverted, I mean he smiles all the time, he's loud, he just buzzes around a room talking to people. He totally works the "Do you believe in magic spells" routine like a champ. Totally extroverted.

If you didn't pick up on the sarcasm, I'll tell you right here, that was sarcasm. He "chases" a girl in the same way a rifleman aims at a target. Skillfully, knowing exactly what he's doing, and he hits his mark. Further or smaller targets (women who are harder to get) take more time aiming at, bit he still hits them. James Bond isn't an extrovert. If you think he's an extrovert, either we're talking about another person, or another definition of extrovert. I don't think he's ever laughed. Or smiled more than just a little curve of the corner of his lips.

Introverted and extroverted have their pros and cons. Van Wilder is probably the best extrovert I can imagine right now. He is the embodiment of the term "life of the party". James bond is the best introvert I can imagine. He's the embodiment of cool, collected, unaffected. And he's quiet, subtle, and more enigmatic.

But even those 2 have qualities from the other side. Bond couldn't seduce a girl if he never spoke to one. Van couldn't have gotten his girl if he didn't know when to slow down and shut up, and if he didn't know who he was as a person, if he'd never thought about things. Even though these people best represent the sides, they aren't totally on one side of the spectrum, no one should be, you'll get nothing from it.

An interesting thing about the color spectrum, is that while one side may be red and the other is purple, it contains other colors. It isn't black and white, and neither is this subject.

For instance, a more extroverted person with introverted tendencies in the wrong area. High energy, but doesn't open, and looks cool and enigmatic from a distance. A girl approaches thinking cool enigmatic thoughts and BOOM. "I know magic, I smile a lot, I can run esp things and stuff"

There goes enigmatic, there goes cool. That sounds like it would hurt more.

But imagine the same "amount" of introverted and extroverted, misplaced a bit.

A person who opens, keeps interest with little games as an extrovert does, but later in the conversation changes it to a cool, collected, intelligent conversation. He has her interest, now he's earning her fascination. And can take that away by going back to being a bit more extroverted, and just using the introvert to remind her that she's looking at a puzzling character.

Same amount of intro and extro tendencies, would appear on the same place in a black and white spectrum, but in a color spectrum, they would both have seperate places showing they're different.

All of this was just said to stop thinking about it in a black and white perspective, because there is so much more, and to remember that you can't be the extreme introvert or extrovert. It just won't be any good.

james bond is not introverted by any stretch of the imagination. he is not timid or reserved in who he talks to or what he says, in fact his brash and insulting much of the time. He is also not introspective, philosophical, sensitive, intellectual, or many other qualities that you may admire or feel that you have.

james bond is an extrovert.

maybe it is the whole upscale british aspect that is throwing you off. Maybe you just really don't know what extroverted means, who knows.

Don't delude yourself into thinking that introversion is an alpha quality.

when you see the "strong silent type" surrounded by women, he is not introverted. If he is not saying much it is simply because he doesn't need to say much, he is getting what he wants already.

Sure, let's confuse introverted with shy...That's cool. Don't delude yourself into thinking you know what you're talking about. I see "Introspective, philosophical, intelligent." Introspective is listed outright already. Intelligence and philosophical tendencies don't come from an extroverted perception, meaning those are introverted qualities as well. A person who is rude or brash isn't extroverted because they're rude or brash, and not having reserves about what you say makes you blunt, direct, not extroverted.

Here's some definitions, in case you or anyone else need them.
Introverted-
"given to examining own sensory and perceptual experiences
Preferring the internal, satisfied with self, lacking interest or comfort in social interactions"
Shy-
"lacking self-confidence; "stood in the doorway diffident and abashed"; "problems that call for bold not timid responses"; "a very ..."

The shy definition seems iffy, not my fault, I didn't write it, but I think we know the general idea.

Extroverted-
"extrospective: not introspective; examining what is outside yourself
extrovert: being concerned with the social and physical environment "

As you can see, there are inherent problems with both definitions. Extro has no concern for the inside, creates morons and unskilled people. Intro by definition has a lack of comfort in social environments, (as I said earlier, if you're on any extreme, nothing good will come of it) but I'm focusing on the satisfied with self and focusing on self's sensory or perceptive bit.

He's in his own reality, not the one around him. It seems to conform to him. It does what he wants it to, without him doing anything for it. Or at least, that's how he makes it seem.

He's an introvert. Introvert isn't just renamed shy, it has a definition that has qualities other than just shy. It's more focused on self. He doesn't make others happy, he makes himself happy. He doesn't talk to many girls, just the ones that meet his qualifications or interest. He's focused on himself. Introvert.

I will be more explicit, and watch you drown in 6 inches of water until you decide to lift your head up.

james bond is not shy or introverted, or any other quality you could attribute to a beta male.

james bond was designed by Ian Flemming to be the archetype of a manly man who does daring things, no holds barred, and always gets the girl.

I know I am not going to fix you, but I am not going to do you the disservice of agreeing with your baloney.

It is for your own good, this is not a personal attack, intended as tough love.

Alphas are not shy, or introverted, or any similar word. The closest you could ever get would be quiet, and thats only when it suits them because talking serves no purpose at the time.

The word is "bologna". Introverted tendencies have to do with self, intelligence, and all that comes with it.

I can't believe I'm being corrected on symantics by someone who ignores the definitions of words.

Getting the girl doesn't mean he's extroverted to do so, it means he gets her, doesn't specify how. Manly isn't the opposite of introverted, and his job requires that he be daring, I doubt he does it because he thinks it's fun. He might find it personally fulfilling to save nations, more than he just wanted a job where he can run and jump.

Introverted isn't always a beta quality, which is why this thread was made, and as I said, ignoring the shy, the rest fits better than extroverted.

More definitions from other sources, let's get a well rounded idea.

"introvert = someone who gets their energy from themselves
extravert = someone who gets their energy from others"

Yeah, he feeds off attention...

"EXTROVERTS
Talk first; think later
Seek out other people
Are transparent, easy to read
Tend to be “babbling brooks”: People often tune them out.
Draw energy from other people
INTROVERTS
Think first; talk later

Prefer going solo
Show fewer facial expressions
Don’t speak up too often: People tend to tune in when they do.
Are energized by time spent alone
"

Yup, that's Bond. Totally transparent and babbling away.


Not a definition, still valid.

Introvert James Bond: He could tell you, but then he’d have to kill you.

- I usually like to have lunch by myself. I spend my work day interacting with other people, so I think of lunch as a time to get away, relax, think, and strategize. When a coworker wants to have lunch with me, I have to wonder why they want me to spend my free time with them, seeing as how I’m already spending 40 hours a week with them. And I find it rude for someone to just declare that they’re going to have lunch with me twice a week, as one person did.

You see, a great deal of people disagree with you.

"Extroverts get to play the ‘bad boy’ to attract women. Introverts get to play the ‘mystery man’, the cool James Bond who’s not going to be a boring push over."


"1. They think first, talk later
2. They focus on depth
3. They exude calm
4. They let their fingers do the talking
5. They embrace solitude"

That was about introverts...James works alone, and seems to have the other characteristics as well.

While looking for results on James being an extrovert, I found one thing, as opposed to the several others. A newspaper article.

""He's clearly disagreeable, very extroverted and likes trying new things – killing people, new women," he said. "

That was a quote by some guy from New Mexico State U.

I don't remember Bond ever liking to kill people...but the women part sounds right.

The scales are obviously one sided, but you keep on ignoring them...

You'd make a great tobacco lobbyist...holding on to scant bits of information to take down proven science, opinion, and common knowledge. Sounds like what you're trying to do right now.

I'm also an introvert and when it's on, I have not problem making out within little time however, working opening sets and isolating the target is MUCH harder!

I believe this to be true. I am an introvert but it can hold me back at times, however I see extroverted guys trying to chat up and dance infront of women, and they look ridiculous.

I have heard that extroverted guys are better at gaming than introverted and that this is the way to be?

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Gaming is a part of life! I realise that now! It affects almost everything you do...

What is "better at gaming"? Just do what works for you.

I would argue that the guy that is better at "gaming" doesn't think of it as "gaming women"

one previous poster is right... extrovert, introvert alpha who cares really? If you want to find a girl to sleep with you, there is only 2 things important about it from my perspective...

1) the lower hurdle is to find a girl who will sleep with you

2) the higher hurdle is to make her *so* want to sleep with you, that she is wet already - and therefore the experience is that much more enjoyable

I think #2 is what being a Natural Alpha is about...

Introvert ALPHAS can be very good at #2... but so can Extrovert ALPHAS...

BUT

Extrovert Alphas can work on many women at once, and end up with multiple numbers slipped in his jacket pocket from a single conversation with a group of girls.. conversation or monologue.

Basically you know you're really good with women when all the girls in a group want you.


Side Note: Becoming Good with Women...

If the goal is to become good with women, one should simply strive to do what works for them. What works for them can only be found out by experience and a bit of reflective analysis... this way you keep refining the way you handle women, ditching things that give undesirable or subpar responses... keeping what works. Then sooner or later you will have it down-pat. Doing this, PUA books, videos, materials, etc. become unnecessary...

I've met a number of people who are great with women. Naturals... like everything in life, it is a learning experience and they got to where they were by experience... often the foundation of this was based on experience with people in general... want to be good with women? change your dayjob to being a salesman you'll learn how to handle people quickly... or you'll be living on the street.

Handling women is pretty easy if you stick these rules:
- don't be boring
- don't be a clown
- avoid negativity.... things like "I don't like X"

first 2 are cardinal sins, the last one is ok but it makes your job harder, so best to avoid it.[/b]