So, I have a feeling that in some of my recent pursuits, I've been coming off desperate. But then again, there has to be some initiative (interest) shown in order to properly sarge a girl. This is a sticking point for me. Where is the line drawn between seeming needy/desperate and a man who is in control of the dynamic?

Here's an example: I was watching some of Mystery's videos online and saw his "You've hijacked my brain" routine. Honestly, a lot of the stuff in there he was saying seemed desperate. Can someone explain to me how it isn't, and where the desperation line is crossed?

Thanks.

dude I'll tell you the secret.

When you go out. Go out for the drinks, the club, the music, the food, the friends. In daily life just enjoy your video games, your exercise, etc Don't go out for chicks. Think of it like an adventure as if you were a tourist. You only speak to people when you find something interesting to talk about otherwise just enjoy yourself.

You'll find that when you play it like this there is no need to pick up the girl, just to talk to people. Over time you'll find you'll get better with people in general and in the process better with girls. still not picking them up but better relations.

After this then start to re look at the good game that you've learned or even routines and now you can see them for what they are because the theory behind it means nothing until you experience it. I used to understand it, but not have enough belief in it to succeed.

The game is a lifestyle all seminar programs and bootcamps try to guide you into it
But a "lifestyle" encompasses way to many things, too many nuaces and micro behaviors. All the hours in the world would be enough to explain it. It like trying to explain the color blue to a blind person.

My suggestion is get the foundations of it, before you go and pick up. Most MPUA's say in the end it becomes no longer about the girl. I was so frustrated with the manuvers and gambits and routines that I said fuck it and joined the military lol. When i came back my mind state was I'm a much bigger person for my discipline and what I've been through. Woman were the least of my worries. I didn't have any. I just found more enjoyment in everything.

I slowly started to notice the girl were talking to me more and I though how before this would've been good,but now I was kind of indifferent. Chicks still weren't hopping on my dick or nothing. From I thought hmm I want a girl friend I miss sex. so without any game period next week was messing with a friend of friend.

All this happened with my mind state of it not being a big thing- no game period. I was like how the fuck did i do that? looking back I dominated the frame, was not needy, was always in state, etc. The pick up was over the course of like 8 days and it wasn't graceful neither. I had rough patches looking at it from a game perspective, but as a person it just seemed like the flow of natural relationships and that how i thought about it. thus it was nothing i just plowed through it.

I didn't say oh man i need a girl, i can't stand to be alone or I have to pick this chick up or my life is going to suck. Once your completely real with yourself and others it's easy. Tell i girl when u honestly feel it " Hey honestly i think I wanna bang you/" and if she slaps u or leaves or bangs you you say hey I'm just honest.
Being a good person

As opposed to having an agenda and do these sneaky "routines" to get in her pants. She just gonna feel like you tricked her. Unless you teller upfront and then use them. Just don't care be happy where u are and watch em come I know some of these thoughts are tangent but i don't have a book for you I'm just a guy and I'm koo with it.

Hope this helps.

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Animals have "pickup" in their DNA, It's called instincts.

"Here's an example: I was watching some of Mystery's videos online and saw his "You've hijacked my brain" routine. Honestly, a lot of the stuff in there he was saying seemed desperate. Can someone explain to me how it isn't, and where the desperation line is crossed? "

Almost forgot The reason this work. It is needy, your correct. Mystery uses it but does he go home with the girl right after?

Nope the before and after hand of it is most likely counter needy behavior. The attitude of a good PUA is always I'm enjoying my own company and the person I'm with, I'm the shit. So I'm sure before and after he showed that. Thru body language, tone, routines, S&R etc All that points to the attitude.

Style once said" if your confident enough. you can fuck up everything in the game and still get the girl" He can be needy all night even but the true self is always coming thru. If you think ur loser you can do all the moves a winner does and still something trigger in a girls head the say something not matching up. i feel like that guys a loser there you go.

Plus imagine this he gets blown out afterward, you think if that routine went well he wouldn't make a video? hell yeah he would, but at the end of the day if he get 3 girls out the 10 because of it. he still a good pick up artist. 1 girl a day, 9 girls a month, what guy you know get laid that much. not many.

I wouldn't stop to think on dumb thing like this just plow through it or do what i said and first learn to enjoy life w/o women and let it come slowly. yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh trick yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh peace[/quote]

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Animals have "pickup" in their DNA, It's called instincts.

so.....this comes down to more of an inner game thing?

it's more of a case of putting yourself in a mindset that:

"I would like to fuck you Miss Foxy Babe, but you are just one option in an ocean of women"..

when you figure out how not to care about the outcome, then you can rid yourself of rejection anxiety, and not caring about how you come across will give yourself a more natural glow of confidence.. stop over analysing it..

Or simply: if you still think you come across as needy / desperate.. try recording yourself talk, and try change the way you talk - it makes a big deffernce just changing the tone of your voice.. or if that fails..then don't use that opener..

I personally love the "drug dealer" opener.. give reason for the target to check me out, give me reason to DHV, escalate kino etc..

-Illusionist

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"They were right when they said "just be yourself" they just never told you what "self" to be.." - Gunwitch

The most fun and success I've ever had came a few nights ago at the bars. I heard a really cheesy but hilarious pick up line on TV. A friend and I agreed to say "fuck it" we're going to open every girl with it. It's obviously a pick up line, and it's obviously ridiculous. If we came in all serious and needy, it wouldn't have worked as an opener. BUT, we so obviously didn't give a shit, that we could have fun, the girls had fun, and we got numbers.

the bottom line here is whether you are feeling needy at the time, and also being alert enough to know when to just leave them alone.

You have inner-game issues, my friend.

They way you reflect over socialsituation and words that come out of your mouth tells me you are thinking way to much about your material.
As someone said earlier just try feel more comfortable talking to people you dont know, by not having an agenda of getting sexual/romantic with them.

You have nothing to loose, and while doing it you'll find your way of creating attraction.

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I drank some wine, I saw her, I conquered