Hey guys,

I've been around this forum a while and this is one part of my game I'm still not confident about.

If you encounter LMR, the two things I remember that you're suppose to try are:

- 1) Freeze-Out

"Stop it" or "I'm not going to have sex with you" countered by "I understand." Then Freeze-Out, move away, stop making out, turn on TV, ignore.

My question about this is:

- You're basically showing all you care about is the sex ? Fine if it's a One-Night Stand, but what if it's with your GF that you're trying to sexually escalate with ?

- 2) Role Reversal

Reply to "Stop it", etc ... with "I know, what was I thinking ? I mean, I let you seduce me into this, we've not even been together that long (this is for my Relationship scenario as opposed to 1-N-S)."

- Does this playful role reversal actually work ? What other things could you say ?

Finally, are there any other ways of countering LMR ? I've heard about the "Just Keep Trying" approach but I doubt that works ? For me, I'm with a girl, that I think I'm in love with, and want to progress sexually with. Here's where the 'small bit on Escalation' comes in.

If you're making out, in a private place, what's the sequence of 'moves' as such that you should go through to increase sexual tension and escalate the situation physically ? I've read bits here and there, but I'm not confident on this area of my game either.

Many thanks for any help I get in advance !!

One thing I've heard time and again when hitting LMR is to say the opposite of what you're doing. So for instance, if she says slow down then you say things like "you're right" or "I agree we should stop" but all the while continuing what you're doing. Obviously you need to be able to read her - if she is making it clear that she isn't comfortable then you need to listen. But I'd bet that the majority of the time she probably playfully and half-heartedly suggests stopping...she wants to go the distance too.

I used to run into this problem with an old gf. She'd always make me feel like a sleaze if I came on to strong looking for sex. But you know what? If you're going out with her...that's one of the things you're entitled to! Looking back on it, that was her way of being coy and wanting to make me work. Never take that as an insult. I like to say "keep building" (if you're not getting strong resistance than keep escalating...start kissing her other places than her lips). Body language is huge...if she is closed off than it's a no go. But if she is panting and open and looks receptive but is saying "slow down," than just remember to keep building. That's her way of challenging you to see if you're a pushover.

-C

Remember too that foreplay for a woman is huge...don't just throw 5 minutes into it thinking you'll be golden. You really need to take your time to get her fully revved up. Also...never be clumsy and start groping and grabbing. Instead, try brushing by her breasts and legs. Start kissing parts of her body that probably never get touched (inside forearm, underside of the wrist, hip bone) - go slow and be confident. You'd be amazed what a little bit of subtlety can do.

Thanks for the advice man and sorry I took so long in replying, power's been down due to poor weather here.

Well, I spent the night at my GF's the other day. We had a great time, lots of fun, really enjoyed it. I escalated slowly to begin with, and after a fair few hours of teasing, fooling around and stuff we got to the next stage, although didn't go the full way - I think the first night was too soon anyway.

What I did notice was she was reluctant to let me do much below her waistline, I teased her playfully, did a lot of foreplay (top was off, gently kissed her upper body). We dry humped and then when making out she was teasing me below, but it turned into pleasing eventually. We were taking it in turns to tease each other, but she made me stop because she said 'She couldn't take it anymore' with a smile - I took it as a good sign. She was enjoying it, but as it was the first night didn't want to appear slutty, I respect that.

I think I made a mistake in asking her, after she had said 'Stop it' a couple of times when I tried to go below, whether or not it was too soon for her. She said yea and I said I respected that, this was before the stuff above happened however, so at least it ended on a high rather than this lil' moment of AFC-ness - although is the fact she knows I respect her and am not pressuring her a good thing ?

Hopefully next time I'll be able to escalate things to the same stage a bit more quickly and soon she'll let me give back to her the excitement she gave me . I love the girl and like the fact we've reached the next physical stage.

Shit, sorry for the long post. To anyone who reads - thank you.

Sounds like things are going well - congrats. Here's what I would do next time if you encounter similar lower body resistance. FREEZE OUT...I think that scenario totally calls for one as it shows you aren't 100% reliant on her to put out. It takes a man to walk away sometimes (not literally walk away of course...but just temporarily give her the cold shoulder). You don't have to make a big fuss about it either - just mention that you're getting sleepy and roll over for a quick "nap." She'll probably be a little flustered and if you've worked her up till that point she'll be dying for more contact.

Sometimes unlocking that gate to her lower body can be difficult. I'd suggest rubbing her inner thigh and maybe slowly kissing her breast area and working down slowly with a trail of kisses past her navel and stopping just short of her pelvic region and then working sideways with kisses to her front hip bone. This is always a good teasing and very suggestive technique. It's also sort of a compliance test - if you show her that you aren't just interested in getting inside her pants, but also interested in giving her total body pleasure, then you will get her to lower any last minute shields.

I actually doubt you'll run into further snags...I think she just wanted to take it slower so she didn't come off as a slut. It doesn't make you weak if you listen to that - just keep building and teasing and there will come a point where she can't stand it anymore and will be clawing at you to enter her. Keep at it and glad you found a good girl.

-C

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Man prophet i been having the same probelms as you.... these posts help though are there other ways to show/say a freeze out?

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Going to see my girl again on the 2nd, hoping to escalate it a bit further this time. Will let you know how I get on

with LMR i do something that i don't think most guys will, but i'm usually just forceful. i ignore what she has to say and do the wild thing... i haven't been taken to jail, yet.. haha
well also, i SLOWLY sexually escalate from the first time i see her. if u build enough comfort and sexually escalate smoothly; then u should face LMR. key is to build comfort and rapport, break it and sexually escalate. try the Dicarlo Escalation ladder. it's very good.

best of luck

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