Hi illusionist.. i think i wasnt so clear..

I just mean that, if both are not interest for sex, for perhaps various reasons like belief.. well, they are gonna be just fine... Of Course ITS important in marriage..
Sex is not bad, but it''s also a sacred thing... well, it's should just be done with thought!..

Now of course there is gonna be problems, if you both want different things..
You want sex, she dont... Although it's very strange.. that she lets you finger her, but she dosent want vaginal intercourse.. dosent make much sense...


Hope i cleared things up

thanks alot for the advice boys.

I think im going to wait it out, not till the end of time, but i will wait it out. I pride myself on being a gentleman, one of the guys that girls believe there are not alot of. I do believe sex is essential in relationships, but i dont think im ready to leave a catch just because we are lacking in it.

As much as i miss hitting on ladies with my boys, letting them know what happened last night with 'the girl i was talking to', im happy with this laid back relationship we have. The misses hangs with my boys and is part of my usual group. Shes there sharing the shit i love doing most, chilling with my boys + girls. And breaking it off because of the lack of sex would probably do terrible things for my reputation and game.

I think well just circle around third base for a while aye. LOL

But if the time span in which we do not have sex is too ridiculous, i guess ill have no choice hey. But im unsure of how long itll be until i have to be forced onto that choice.

thanks alot!

and yeah bimmer, its weird not having sex when she lets me finger her. She really enjoys it.

At first when she said she didnt wanna do it, i thought it was because of the place that we were. We were just in the backseat of the car parked on the side of a park. I was thinking that shed rather do it on my bed or something. But yeah, after she told me all that, about wanting it to be special, that her values are different from other girls, without referencing that fact that we were in the car, i thought it would be a longer time in which we would first do it

omg.. i just laughed so hard i actually shed a tear.. and im at work replying to this!!, i don't think my AFC-boss is going to be too chuffed if he checks my history because of my laugher...

Michael, that is a no brainer.. it's the chicks in the first catagory that lose thier v-plates in a drunken spin are in the back of a car.. they're the ones who regret it..

lol? didn't you take in anything i said earlier.. haha!, okay.. i guess it did miss it..

Her first time will DEFINATLY be on a bed, in a CLEAN ROOM, with some AMBIENT LIGHTING (candles).. oh man, it's almost funny that i have to write that here.. follow the step to step guide to really make love to her when you two actually find a bed to do it in..

nice one with making her squirt.. but be weary - the female orgasim comes from a gland in her vagina, but is actually exits her body through her ureathra (pee hole).. so essetially, you've had a cocktail of pussy juice and piss in your mouth.. ACE! haha! (you can get your own back by kissing her right after)

lol.. boss is coming over..

now, shag her good and proper.. as said above!

keep me posted!

-Illusionist-

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hahah yeahh. i just realised how stupid i was. i guess i was just blinded because i just wanted it so much.

Yeah, shed want it on a bed. i guess ive just been waiting so long that i couldnt see the obvious. hahha

yeah ill let ya know what happens aye. feeling real confident about the situation.

ps. what a good thread this has shapen up to be lol

haha, sorry Bimm3r and Michael for snapping out like that, if there is stuff that doesn't seem right, i'll pick it up on it.. you know i have your best interests at heart!

Now michael, you should never let the urgent desire for sex to cloud your decision making abilites.. in such a delicate case such as this - she should be in an environment which she feels most comfotable.. wether it is your bed or hers. For example; when on a really good night out - and i game my heart out and end up going home with a woman, i'll 9/10 times go to her place because a woman is MOST comfortble in her own space.. therefore might be willing to do all sorts of freaky stuff in bed!.. oh and also.. she might have some really kinky/horny SPAM.. which are usually women too (i stress the point "usually".. not always, i tell you what - its even weirder when it is an obviously gay man sharing a flat with a women.. *shudder*)

All jokes aside, it really is a matter of when she is ready.. if there are 3 things a catagory 2 woman remembers; her first time with a man, her wedding day, and the bastard who broke her heart.. so its going to have to be near enough perfect..
well, ideally perfect..

After that - if you teach her to be adventurous..and if you are provocative enough; there is not reason why you wont be having rampant sex outside in the garden, in the shopping mall (changing rooms are a godsend).. the cinema.. everywhere.
You have to remember that you have to increase the "lovey dovey" stuff as well the more you have sex..
my last girlfriend *cough*bitch*cough* (who was a REAL sexual deviate) go that into her head.. because we were having sex all the time.. and i wasn't prepared to settle down and have kids (yes.. she was a psyco.. i really know how to pick em eh?) that i was just using her for sex.. eh..? Sure i gamed her into bed, but i did like her.. being 18 - im NOT going to have kids ATLEAST for another 10years.. no way, nada.. FUCK THAT!

So yea, it turned sour.. bitch.

But i'm a better man because of it - i've got my priorites in order.. and it was because of her, that i consider myself really taking the dive from being an AFC to PUA.. now i just have to get really good at PUA.. lol

Good that you are confident about it, i'm just worried about you having so much anticipation.. don't fire the soldiers into battle early.. if you know what i mean.. OH!.. and i dont know how much sexual expirience you've had..but i find i last MUCH longer if i think about something totally non-sexual.. its actually harder than it sounds when you are shagging your woman..

I pretty much do exactly as described on page 1, but im thinking about my last game of Call of Duty, whats for dinner tonight, shit i've watched on T.v.. thinking about all this while she getting pounded.. moaning away ..

I guess it sorta makes sex a little boring..but after 45mins of having your head if the clouds.. you can just come back down to earth and spend the last 15mins in the total ecstacy of the moment..

some more wise words:

Try not to drink beer before sex (or at all is better).. it makes cum taste very bitter, eating pineapples and honey will sweeten the taste of it..AND! take a shit before you shag her... all that thrusting might just be enough to force out a hugh beer fart.. unless she is actually into your disgusting toxic arse wind - try not to fart..

keep me posted.. we've come too far now to leave me in the dark!

-Illusionist..

and yea, this is a monster thread!.. haha!

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Recent Progress:

Nearing onto our 3rd month.

We were at my house. 3rd base on my bed and I asked if she was still ready (we had a couple of talks about sex and we both agreed we were ready) . HOWEVER, my sister was downstairs on her computer minding her own business. Doesnt care at all that i bring girls home. The girlfriend wasnt fond of the idea and said she didnt want to do it because she was uncomfortable with my sis downstairs.

I let her know that i wasnt happy at all with that because ive been waiting for her. She understood and was sorry but she was just uncomfortable.
I also understood her feeling that way but i said that she had to learn how to compromise. Her house isnt an option and therefore mine is the only option. However, my sister is usually home when i am unless shes out, so i told her she needs to learn how to get over that fact. I told her that i want to progress with her by all means and that i want to help her be more comfortable because sex is very important to me. She also agreed its a very important act too. So yeah, im just trying to make her comfortable now. She said shes really scared about the idea and all. helping her through that too.

I told her that shes setting the bar really high for me. I just hope this doesnt drag on for too long. She knows im eager, but she also knows i respect her and her values

thats all!

alternatively, you could get tell your sister to go for a walk..?

-Illusionist

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I started reading all these posts from the start and no one notice that you kept using words like "she let me" this is your GF for god sake. And it should be like this for any women.

It should be about her letting you do stuff to her. If it's your GF it should be a shared thing, not "her" letting you.


The same thing goes for any women. Not just your "GF"


I'm sure people agree with me here.

Paul,
I understand you point and under usual terms I would agree with it..
however, in the case of a virgin, she was never "shared" herself with anyone before. Therefore our man Michael can only do what she feels comfortable with - hence the "she let me" phrases come into play..

If a girl feels out of her depth she doesn't have to do anything, if you do decide to take advantage of a girl who is clearly not ready for it - not only could it be considered assult - it also can damage her perspective of men/her bf/ sexual incounters in general.

At the end of the day.. it's all up to her.

Although.. in the future, when she becomes more sexually active with Michael; if she has had the best relationship with him.. he'll be asking advice of good spots to fuck outside, kinky sex games etc..

gotta learn to walk before you can run.

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Sorry Paul, dont agree with you. She hasnt done anything past second base. So therefore she is the only one with doubts in her mind and barriers to overcome. I can only, like illusionist said, do whatever shes comfortable with letting me do.

In other news

Mission accomplished

It just seems as if finishing off the story is the right thing to do. So here we go:

My house was free and we were hanging out with mates. We both knew it was free and it was my choice to take it as an opportunity and try and ditch the mates lol. It was pretty hard to do and sorta felt like my boys were cockblocking me away from my own gf. lol. Not intentionally of course . Its because they just had nothing to do and wanted to hangout.

Finally got rid of them, driving to my house with the mrs. She seemed quiet and I asked her whats up. And she said she was feeling reluctant and said she didnt feel like doing it. Which made my blood boil. Considered breaking up with her. Just was soo pissed off that i was so patient and all and now shes not ready again?? Felt maad rejected. Then i just decided to suck up my pride and ask her if she can honestly try and see if she can change her mind while we make out and shit.

Yeah all was good when we got into my house. I was very affectionate and all, trying to make it special for her. and yeah! what more can i say?

Im a happy man today. Thanks for all the advice guys, esp. illusionist. Was good to vent out my thoughts to others and seek advice and all. Thank you!

Congratulations Michael,

I just hope you read this thread in the future, and laugh..I know I will..
I wish you a long happy relationship with your now sexually awakened girlfriend.

Probably for the best if she never sees this.. lets keep it our little secret

Michael, it's been my pleasure..

All the best for 2010

- Sebastian, the Illusionist

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