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Location - Marble Bar
Date - 10/12/09

This is a pretty long post, and I don’t really expect anybody to read it, but would love it if people do. I’m writing this to just put my thoughts on paper so I can better analyze them for my self and find out what I did well/did bad, and to hopefully get some feedback from the more experienced. Would love to know what people think I did well, as well as what I could do better. I am in no doubt as to the fact I’m still a newb, so appreciate all advice.



Had some dinner with some mates of mine, three guys and two girls, before heading to the Marble Bar. Our mood was good and we were ready for a fun night.

I have really bad AA and even though I had a few drinks in me it still took me a while to talk to the first girl of the night. There were two do-able chicks sitting at a table with a long bench seat, one I thought was pretty hot. My friend and I sat at a table parallel to them, and I positioned myself closest to them.

Was trying to work up the confidence to open, and discussing with my mate what I should say, and having a bit of AA. I noticed we were getting a few looks so I went to open the girl closest to me, and she went to open me at the same time. I think I opened with “Hi, how are you” which is what I usually say. She asked me what nationality I was.

We got talking, I tried not to get too close or lean in to her, so even though I moved towards her to open, I still left like a three foot gap between us and tried to look relaxed and casual, and hoped she would move closer to me along the bench seat. Is this a good thing to do?

This girl was ok looking, but I was more interested in her friend who was on the other side of the girl I was talking to. I ended up with the first girls camera somehow, which was strange because that’s been happening a lot lately. I took some photos of the girls, and then they wanted some with me. The other girl (one I wanted) told me to take a photo with her friend and to kiss her on the cheek, but I made her fried kiss me on the cheek instead. Then she suggested I kiss her on the lips. So basically the girl I wanted was trying to hook me up with the other girl that I didn’t want. I’m still a total newb, but usually I would have given up here and taken that as a massive IOD.

We took some more photos and I started teasing the girls and asked them to make sensual poses and what not. I told them I wasn’t going to take boring photos. I asked them to kiss each other too when the girl I wanted suggested I kiss the other girl for the photo, forgot to mention that part. The girl I didn’t want was quite fun and did everything I asked, whereas the one I wanted was a bit insecure, so I teased her about it, and asked the friend in front of her if she was always this boring and serious. I’m not usually good with negs but it actually seemed to work. We had more photos with different combinations of people and when I had a photo with the girl I wanted she put her hand on my leg and it lingered for a bit lol so I took that as an IOI, it felt like one anyway.

My mates had all got bored by this stage and told me that they were going elsewhere in the club and to meet them there, so I spent a little time talking to the girls but then thought I should eject and tell them I have to go find my friends. Was this the right thing to do here? My thinking was that I have been in situations before where it has been going well and I stay too long and then it gets awkward, so I left before anything like that could happen. Maybe I just need better conversation skills?

I re-opened them about half an hour later, we briefly talked and had some more photos (yeah one of the girls was totally photo crazy, which I teased her about, and the other one actually disliked having photos, which I teased her about hehe). Actually I told the girl I wanted that she should have more fun and enjoy taking photos as she will be seventy years old one day with wrinkles, and she will want to look back at the days of when she was still pretty. I ejected soon after before I stuffed it up.

Things were still going well. Actually felt like they enjoyed my company. I probably reopened them every half an hour or so and just kept things friendly so we remained familiar. Although I was drinking and don’t remember all the details so well, I’m pretty sure I was trying to tease the girl I wanted as much as possible but paid attention to both girls equally.

The first girl I talked to, which I thought was after me, ended up hooking up with one of my mates on the dance floor, which was good, cos it gave me an excuse to move in on the one I wanted, without her feeling like she was stealing me from her friend. That’s the way I saw it anyway. And I had a hunch there was some attraction there now.

We all danced together and I started to escalate things very slowly. My Idea was to tease her as much as possible, so I stated by just dancing close with her from behind to feel if she wanted to, which it seemed like she did, then I would take myself away and dance with my mates. Then I’d come back and have my hand on her hip for just a second or two, then take it away and give her some space. She seemed comfortable and started to seek me out a bit more on the dance floor when I took myself away.

I have been watching a few videos of AFC adam and how he does dance floor game and trying to do what he does. I have also been reading Slywalkers posts recently and even though it’s not about dance floor game, the things he has to say about creating sexual tention and kino escalation were in the back of my head. Two steps forward, one step back sorta thing.

I was kino escalating more and more. I started moving my hands up and down her body, but then pushing her away from me. The idea of this was to tease her, but to also push her away from me so I could get away with it without her actually stopping me doing it, which she probably would have if I did lots of it. I really do think that this was building a lot of sexual tension.

Once I had her isolated on the dance floor away from where her friend could see, just incase she was uncomfortable, I kissed her, slowly, but just a peck, then pulled away and danced, then gave her a bit more about two minutes later, a bit more passionately, then told her I had to go find my friends. I think she liked being teased like this.

I was pretty impressed with myself here. Although it would not seem like much of an achievement to the pros on this forum, it’s a long way to come for me. The fact that she tried to hook me up with her mate earlier in the night would have been enough of an IOD to make me give up. That’s what I would have done before I had found the game. This time however I saw it as gaining pre-selection and actually improving my chances of attracting her. I am thrilled to have found the seduction community and this forum. Thanks to everyone here that has helped me so far on my journey.

This post is getting really long, and I wanted to include all the details, so I will continue with the story with another post as this is getting longer than I thought, and I don’t want to scare people away from reading it. It ends with nearly a full close. Thanks to anybody who has read this far! I appreciate your time.



wowo

What you felt was a boner. I bet
Conversation skills are always a very useful tool in pu. However you don't really give any examples of dialogue, so we couldn't possibly judge.
You talk about trying to tease her a lot. I think this is a bad mindset, cos I think it could possibly end up with you looking like youre trying to find reasons to take the piss, which aint good. But, looking at the kind of way you decribed you teased, I imagine it could be a good kind. I tease pretty much like 70% of the time, but thats who I am, it's not really a game thing.

I noticed you called her out on her insecurity, I'm not so sure about this, as it could put a lot of pressure on them. But if its just shyness, then not so bad. As long as you're not being harsh or making her feel bad then its all good.

You sound like you did pretty well imo, you managed to use a fair bit of game stuff. In the way its sposed to, and shit.

You didnt give any examples of dialogue, and didnt talk much about qualification etc. But if you can get where you want, without certain things, then it doesnt matter.

All in all, sounds like you done well, my friend.

~Liquid Blend

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Slywalker: "Neg the bagel"
Slywalker: "I had a 1yr old GF when I was 19"
SS_Trunks:I asked her for an extra pen, confidently....

haha no mate, takes more than that I’m afraid, so much so in fact that I have been thinking about getting some nasal spray

Maybe I could explain better....

The conversations I was having were good, free flowing, enjoyable and comfortable. In fact I’m getting much better with conversations. The problem is more that after talking to a girl for say 10 minutes or so I start feeling like I’m just entertaining them and worry that I won't be able to hold the conversation without it getting awkward. Even though I think I do pretty well initially. So I just left before it got to that stage.


I decided to do this because she tried to hook me up with her mate so I didn't know what to do to get her interested in me instead. Is there much difference between negging and teasing. I negged her at the start to try get a reaction, but then it was more teasing playfully, like trying to make her laugh at herself, not insult her. Flirting I would even call it hehe.

I also made sure I was nice to her as I didn’t want to come off as an arsehole. I act pretty natural I think, I just throw in a tease here and there if I think I’ve been too nice to her for too long?

Will definitely have a good think about teasing too much though.
Maybe I was taking too much of a risk here. I don't know why, but for some reason I had a thought in my head that I should kinda talk down on her a bit and give her some advice or something, like a parent or a teacher would. Bad idea? I don’t think I was being too harsh cos I kinda said she was pretty to in the same sentence. But yeah I think it was more shyness.

Thanks Liquid Blend, I really enjoy your feed back. It makes me think, and think about things I wouldn't have considered myself, and it has definitely helped me improve my game.

Ok, so her mate that she was with got snooty for some reason and wanted to go home. She wanted to stay but had no other friends so asked me if I’d look after her if her mate left. I said no problem.

So her mate left and I took her to some comfy chairs in a dark corner of the club and we got to know each other better. I was being pretty nice to her now not teasing her too much hehe. One thing that blew me away though is she started negging me. She told me she didn’t like my name and decided she was going to call me woody instead. This girl had a bit of game in her I’m sure of it. She worked out a few of my insecurities and kept commenting on them. I actually found it really bizarre, but was sure she was doing it on purpose.

I tried to keep kissing short and spontaneous. I would kiss her mid sentence then stop and tell her to keep talking. Don’t know if I was doing it right but I was trying to keep the whole sexual tension thing going.

She asked me where I live, so I asked her where she lives. She lives in the city, walking distance. She told me she never walks home alone, this was my first hint I could take this further. I was driving my mates car because he was on the piss big time, and I had sobered up by now. He lives a fair way out of the city and I said I have to take him home, and she said to take him home first. Took that as my second hint.

So I take my mate home, so it’s just me and her now and we stop off at maccas on the way back. She asked me if I was staying at my house or my mother’s house tonight. I told her earlier that I stay at my mothers house a lot of the time. I knew she wanted me to go home with her but now realized she was gonna put up some resistance. She dropped some more hints like that, letting me know that I wasn’t allowed to stay at hers. I just can’t remember what they were. I knew she wanted me to stay at hers but I just played along with it as if I was going to drop her off and then go back to my house. Is this what I should have done?

We get to her house and talk in the car for an hour. I wasn’t going to ask if I could come in because she’d been dropping all these hints. So we just talk in the car for an hour before she eventually invites me in.

So were in her bed, she’s got her leg hooked over mine straight away, but I take my time, not rushing anything. We do a bit of talking and then slowly escalate into dry humping and a bit of kissing over about half an hour. As much as I knew she was loving it I could kind of sense the anti slut defense coming. Every time I went for a bit of boob or vag I did it smoothly and quickly so she didn’t have time to pull my hand away. Did this for a good ten minutes until I could sense she was really horny and I started really working the vag but outside her underwear.

I tried to slip my hand underneath her underwear and BAM she grabbed me and said “not underneath”. I haven’t been with many women, so this was my first encounter with LMR. I have read a lot about it of course and I actually felt kinda prepared for this. I was a bit shocked when she first said that though and panicked for a second or two but I think I hid that well enough and said that that’s fine I wasn’t going under anyway. I think I had a boner by this stage Liquid Blend.

Since I had my mates car, and he had to work, I had told her earlier I could only stay till 7am, so I could get his car back to him.

WOWO: Shit I got to go soon, pity though, cos I really want to fuck you, but there’s not enough time.

HER: Haha that’s fine cos I wasn’t going to have sex with you anyway.

WOWO: Yes you were 

HER: No chance buddy. I’d rather be a nice girl than a slut

WOWO: If I wasn’t so tired I’d know the right things to say to you to make you feel comfortable enough to have sex with me.

HER: No you couldn’t, I’m not like that

WOWO: I know what kind of girl you are.

Ok so your reading that thinking what the fuck was I thinking, yeah I have no idea why I said that. Opinions welcome. Even though that looks really bad and like I was being an arsehole, it kinda wasn’t as bad as it looks. I was kinda joking around and stuff and she was smiling and it didn’t come of that badly.

So I started talking about some stuff I’d learned in PU. I told her that I found it interesting that she feels like she would be a slut if she had sex with me. I told her that that is because that is what society tells us. I also told her how its ok for guys though, even though it takes a guy and a girl to have sex. I told her 5000 years ago society didn’t care if girls had sex and they all fucked like rabbits, cos they didn’t have to hide there love for sex.

I told her about how many girls I have slept with and how many girls I have kissed in my life, which is a VERY low count. She didn’t believe me. I explained I had a gf for seven years, and that I was a virgin until I was 22 (didn’t believe me) and that I use to have really high morals. All this is true so it was easy to talk about and eventually convince her I was telling the truth. I told her that I have sorta changed my thinking and I am now comfortable to have sex, and I don’t find it a big deal, and I wouldn’t think she was a slut, or respect her less if she had sex with me. I explained that I would be doing the exact same thing as her so if I thought she was a slut then I would be a slut too. Funny thing is I wasn’t actually doing this to try get in her pants, I actually find it interesting.

So I told her to give me her stats since I’d given her mine. She wouldn’t give me a number but said it was less than me.

We talked about STDs for a bit, and I told her how the last girl I was with I couldn’t get a boner because a chick mate of mine has been teaching me about STDs. It scares the shit out of me. You can wear a condom and still catch genital warts, and if you get them, you’ve got them for life. I asked her “you’re clean right” she said she was, so I said I was too and that we could have sex without a condom.

So Now I tell her I’m gonna get a power nap cos I have to leave soon. She doesn’t want me to sleep. She starts rubbing my cock through my jeans and taking off my belt. I just act cool and tell her to stop teasing me. One thing leads to another and she starts riding me, but fully clothed.

WOWO: I so wanna just fuck you right now

HER: That’s too bad, cos you you’re not going to.

WOWO: That’s fine, well I should get a power nap in then (she’s on top of me still)

HER: Ok, so just throw me off you and go to sleep then (Saying it with a smirk as if I wanted her so much that wouldn’t be able to do that.)

So I throw her off me as soon as she says that, turn my back on her and pretend to go to sleep. I looked at her, she was really not happy, frowning, giving me daggers

WOWO: what, you told me to do it, I told you I was stubborn and not to test me.

HER: more daggers

WOWO: this isn’t even hard for me, I can go to sleep right now, no big deal.

Alarm goes off for 7am, so I told her I have to go, she says noooo. So I set my alarm for another 10 minutes. She promises me I’ll be able to get where I need to go in time for my mate to get to work. So I close my eyes to sleep for 10 more minutes. She starts rubbing my cock. I start rubbing her vag and we kiss and really get into it. Were both really horny now. I try to stick a finger in between her panties and she tries to stop me with her hand, but I know she’s very horny now so I just keep trying. I get a finger in for a bit and she forcefully pulls it out and says no. I just put it back in anyway, she tries to stop me but eventually she gives up cos she wants it so bad.

HER: I want you to fuck me

Alarm goes off, I pull my finger out and say I really have to go this time. I did, was already running late to get my mates car back to him so he could get to work on time. I’m trying to find all my stuff and she was just rubbing my cock, I think trying to make me stay.

I’m walking out the door and she asks if I will see her again and looks at me funny. Oops, I realize I haven’t even got her number, so I give her my phone. I asked her what her name was with a serious face. I knew what it was, just wanted to tease her.

This was pretty much my first experience with LMR. Although I didn’t get the full close, I’m pretty confident I could have if I had another half an hour up my sleeve. Not 100% sure though, she might have given me some more resistance, as she still had clothes on.

Last question, who would have stayed to try get a root and let your mate be late for work?




wowo

wow good work mate i guess u made a few mistakes in wording somethings were u basically called her a slut but yeh with the whole sex being a taboo thing was great i am sure u learned alot wish i had my fuking i.d so i could tell u a storey lol anyway great work keep it up

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I was actually interested enough to read the whole thing... sounds like you did alright there buddy, but of course, no matter what level we're at, there's always things to analyse and adjust for bettering oneself and their game. For you it might be LMR, for others it might be just meeting and getting into conversations with more people. I'm impressed you had AA but still managed to stick with the first set you opened, especially since you disregarded the supposed IOD from your target, worked some dancefloor game then ended up hanging out later on. I did find it a little strange how she kept leading you on but didn't want to go all the way, though.

By the way, Marble Bar? One of the few places I still haven't been, but I assume that means you live in Adelaide too? Well, how about that... I'll send you a private message soon.

Cheers Chris and Repute for taking the time to read my post and giving me some feedback.

Yeh she was definatly very horny and turned on, but also determined to prove to me that she wasn't a slut. Thats the way i saw it any way. I called her a tease but acted like i didn't even care though, and that seemed to get a strong reaction out of her. She wanted to prove she wasn't a tease either lol.

Yep I'm an Adelaide boy. Where do you go when you go out Chris?

Check the PM I sent ya. Don't want to get too off-topic, but since you asked, some places I like are The Duke, The Little Pub Off Hindley, Sugar, Distill, Cargo, Club 58 and the newest club Apple Bar that just opened on Rundle Street. And I've been to Dog & Duck many times, even though I'm not a big fan of that place.