is it ever to late to turn around and make a move on a girl who considers you as just a friend. before i started sarging my best friends we're girls it's how i come up with my game and ettiquttes when around women. of my friends who are girls i wonder if it's to later to turn things around and get out of the friend zone. is it? what would you do?

If you like a girl who has friend zoned you its not impossible, but its a different game. She trusts you, has rapport with you, and is willing to be isolated without question but this is because she believes you are not going to try to seduce her.

You have to tell her you are into her without destroying her trust in you, the only way to do that is to be open and honest. As a friend you are basically a beta male in her life, even if your an alpha elsewhere.

Be honest, open and direct with the fact that you're attracted to her. I would say not to "game" her until she gives you an IOI.

For example lead her up to the idea gradually using NLP, dont just blurt out "I wanna fuck you!" or something ridiculous. Start with something like "Look I know this is going to sound crazy, possibly weird, so please forgive me if it does but I cant really help it." This lets her know that you're uncomfortable with the situation, which is really that your presumably uncomfortable with losing her as a friend for stating your feelings. You have also let her know you're about to say something she may not know or may not approve of, thus she is more prepared on an unconscious level to seriously consider what your about to say without automatically rejecting it which is something like: "But I'm really attracted to you. I know we've been friends and all but what do you think about exploring other options?" or something like that.

This gives you and her both enough wiggle room to accept a situation which may become uncomfortable. Your asking her what she thinks, not demanding that she act. If she consents, that's an IOI, then you can start gaming her. But since you already have trust, rapport, and the ability to isolate, you start immediately with Kino escalation and, in fact, can possibly even land a k-close right there since you have both entered immediately into a very intimate and open conversation. Most likely, since you already know each other, you can probably f-close that night, and in fact should before she changes her mind and pushes you back into the friend zone.

If she says no, she has merely expressed her thought. Then you can play it off, let her know you still want her as a friend and value her as a person, then to slough off the awkwardness of the situation, make a joke about how since she wont hook up with you, she has to be your partner in crime or something of that nature, then play bar dice or something normal like nothing happened, as though you do this every week and with every friend whose a girl you have ever had, this will help her continue to feel comfortable with you.

Also don't press it again. She may go home and seriously consider it, maybe she never has and, once she does, she may actually find shes attracted to you. Thus she may begin giving you IOI's or come straight out and tell you shes changed her mind.

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Start teasing her more often, sexual teasing. Tell her about women your hooking up with. Create sexual tension and lots of it. She will most likely become attracted to you.

Also, stop being her emotional tampon if you are one. She has girl friends to tell her problems too, what she wants is a man. Be one for her.

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I am an emotional tampon lol!

Heres the story so far!

I got into the LJBF zone with a girl last year! She fucked my housemate and then we stopped being friends!

I didn't see her for a year and then started speaking to her again! She came down to Coventry to see me and we spent time together, this time however I was conscious of what I was doing however.

I've noticed that due to this time apart, I was able to re enter the set with a different character without too much rejection on her part! We still had the rapport from before and like you said, its easy to isolate without too much effort!

Then she starts turning me into her emotional tampon! What she tells me however is gold!

She has a boyfriend who doesn't engage her sexually, she misses being wanted by this guy and has talked to me openly about it! With this information I could be the guy her boyfriend isn't! Sexual, fun, interesting! The problem is though I get emotionally affected by her because I still like her more than just for the lay! I am emotionally affected!

How the hell do you get out of that emotional state? :7 Plus I feel a bit bad about trying to game someone who was before, a very good friend! and I would die if I got caught out! Suppose these are the issues I am worried about!

Any and all suggestions welcome!

Cheers

CAmbria

First off, any attempt to get yourself out of the Friend Zone is going to be a process. Don't expect any quick fixes, because this is a tricky situation to get out of.

Think about it this way: If you've been her "Emotional Tampon," or even show that you hold her on some kind of "best-girl-friend pedestal," then your whole friendship is a continuous DLV in her eyes. At this point, you are probably about 60-90% disqualified from being a potential suitor, depending on how flirty/sexual the relationship is.

She sees you as valuable, yes. You are valuable in that you're fun to be around, and you listen to her problems. But not valuable as she would see a potential boyfriend. You have to change that.

What you have to do is play it like a normal set - but one that's going to span a few weeks or months. You are going to have to bring your value back up, while showing her that her's isn't cutting it for you. If you guys aren't already flirty/playful/sexual, then you have to get that way. Remember to neg her in everyday conversation; and change your friendship from whatever it is to a more playful one.

If she's a good friend, then Kino escalation should be simple and natural - and she shouldn't see it as being threatening at all. Just start to get more physical with her: Pick her up, spin her randomly, hold hands, play with her hair, whatever. You're almost 100% safe if she considers you a good friend at this point. All you have to do is amp it up.

Just remember, every day you see her or talk to her, you're going to DHV the best you can, neg her playfully, escalate Kino a LOT, and then, before you know it, she'll be the one finding herself "all of a sudden" attracted to you as more than just friends.

Cheers guys. And good luck!