Been dating this girl for nearly two months, but have been seeing each other for agees. Really comfortable with her, enjoy her company tremendously and have established we both love each other.

Problem is, being a guy and all, make out sessions as an 18 year old just isnt enough at this stage and im scared i might lose interest if it stays this way.

The bra has become undone a few times sneakily, but she was only half willing to let me do so and probably doesnt want me to see them? lol. Have tried putting the hand downstairs above clothes but shes rejected me a few times but let me once when she was wearing jeans. wtf aye? only for a bit though, nothing too much, stopped cuz she had a disappointed look on her face. i havent asked (+ i dont want to) but i think she is still a virgin and that everything that we do together is new for her, besides making out i guess

Had a talk to her about her rejecting me when id get too touchy, i said it doesnt make me feel seedy being rejected by my girlfriend of nearly two months. she didnt understand 100% why i felt seedy for her rejecting me. but she just accepted it

But yeah, all in all, tips for getting to the higher bases? i love the girl. questioning her straight up about being more physical is not an option. I pride myself on being a gentleman, i do all i can to make the girl happy. But a guys got his needs right?

hey Michael,

firstly, welcome to the community - i hope we can help you..
it sounds like you have a really good thing going, but you are right, especially for guys our age it is important to satisfy our sexual urges.. (buntly) PU is here to help guys make real relationships work or to pick up ONS at bars... you seem in the first boat.

So here's my suggestion - you are going to have to be open with her - don't come across as "if we don't sleep together - then im going to find someone who will".. it will tear you up.. and her.

You are going to have to let her know just how you feel, that you want to be "more physically connected" (its a good quote to use - when you say it, put your hand over her heart) with her.
Sex makes and breaks relationships - it is just as important as Love in maintaining a healthy relationship.

But keep in mind, she may have had bad expiriences in the past, she may have been "forced" upon at some stage of her life..

I hope this works out for you - keep me posted on updates!

-Illusionist-

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baby step progress today

she came over, chilled for a bit, enjoyed eachothers company. took her to my bed

made out as we do. She let me suck on her nipples. she still keeps putting her shirt down when i could be able to see her tits though . lol strange. self-conscious about them im guessing, theyr not that big. She let me rub and play downstairs with her clothes on, she was wearing tights. when i started, i looked at her and asked if i was going too fast. she said no. I was being really sincere and let her know she means alot to me and i respect her greatly.

We continued, then i decided to try and slide my hands under her pants. but she grabbed my hand and said no. I have a feeling my situation will only be relieved in time. but im just hoping its not too long

I wanted to let her know that i wanted to take it further, but i think my actions spoke louder than words, was really sincere and respectful towards her, and i feel as if shed say no to taking it that far. i wanted to avoid that because i might not take the rejection that well and it might be a bit awkward when i see her etc etc

so yeah, theres my progress thus far. ill keep yous updated on any new things that happen =)

that is excellent news Michael, truely - its a monday, and sarging is dwindling on this frosty afternoon for myself.. (online sarging time i suppose haha)

but non the less, great to hear.

Now - i've been discussing sex with some of my sisters hot friends (its a really spiritual sarging style i've been trying out at parties).. and i've basically figured out that a lot of the girls fall into 2 catagories.

there are the ones who have sex in a fast, drunken spin - and i talked to them a lot.. (they realllly opened up to me lol).. and they said that even at their young age.. they feel like they have spoiled it for themselves.. ruined somthing

and then there are those who hold sex very sacred.. your girl might be one of these; virgins who have so much anticipation about their first time that they have an unrelentless urge to make it Perfect.

just take it slow.. and when you feel that she is ready to go the whole way..

make it the most romantic possible.

keep me posted.

-Illusionist-

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another entry:

thanks alot for the advice illusionist, really interesting.

yeah today had another good day with her. im really happy actually.
again she came to my house, enjoyed her company, hung out.

then we made out on my bed, for quite a while actually.
I slid my hand downstairs, played for a while and tried to go under her undies. She again took my hand and said no. At this point i decided the freeze her out. I said okay, and she tried to keep kissing me, i didnt respond as enthusiastically. She then just rested on me a bit and looked at me. She knew i wasnt happy with that.

After the pull , i pushed again, hand downstairs and basically tried to finger her above clothes, she really got into it, then i went under her clothes and fingered her properly for like 30mins. Very happy that happened. After a while of touching around my dick, she grabbed it above clothes. Then i took her hand and put it under my clothes and she jacked me off a bit.

Funny thing is, all this time i was thinking of what to write on puaforum lmao! then i just realised that i couldve homerun with her. But then someone came home LOL.

But yeah, got any tips on how to go about the homerun, what to say, do? etc etc. Like what to do/say after im fingering her/shes jackin me off . I was thinkin of just saying, "ive got a condom, do you want me to use it?" lol only thing that popped in the mind

Thanks for the replies

lol.. this is getting weird.. another frosty monday afternoon, i'm just about to write to FR for my weekend escapades..
i've gotta say, it's pretty damned fucked up if you are fingering your girlfriend and thinking about (what to write to) me

Now, i wouldn't be totally thinking "woohoo!.. lets fuck"..

i'm gonna write here what to do, and you do it - and by this time next week, you're gonna be writting here how your girlfriend go so horny she jumped on you and raped your cock raw.. savvy?

Step 1: once you have her in your house, do whatever you do to pass the time until you can get down to the monkey business. I would watch a romantic comdey.. everyone loves to laugh and shag.. while you are watching this, get her to sit lower than you so you can massage her shoulders / neck (just go lightly).. then slowly move up to her ears, just gently caress them.. Do this for about 15-30mins before the film ends, that way she'll be very turned on come the end of the movie..

Step 2: once the movie ends, slide yourself down to her level (which ideally is the floor) put on hand around her waist and take her hand with the other and run her hand through your hair (which should be clean).. learn in and kiss her neck, give her neck and ears a playful nibble, don't lick her ear full on.. if she doesn't specifically like it.. don't do it..

Passionate Kissing: okay, if you're getting this far - great!.. now, there is an art to kissing, when I kiss a woman i employ a sort of "Salsa style" kissing, where i consider it more of a dance, where you try and build up so much anticipation that it become unreal... tilt her to the side and start kissing her lips..
make it sensual - go close, don't kiss her.. let the anticipation build, just give her a little bit, pull back, kiss her like you mean it etc, make sure that you nibble and suck on her lips

Step 3: get up and take her hand, drag her to your cave, this is called "Caveman", (Scottish guys do it a lot, we get a LOT of LMR).. get her on the bed and start making out, don't just focus on the lips. Take your hand and tug her hair a gently, kiss her neck - bite lightly.

Step 4: now this is where you start to undress her, take off what ever is on top and take her down to a bra. (Take off your shirt obv) Now, sit upright on your knees and take her hand.. kiss her hand and slowly up her arm, alternating between kissing / licking / nibbling.. take care at the insdie; wrists, elbow and armpits - these are very sensitive areas, and can be used to trigger some very powerful stimulation.. every girl has a spot outwith thier vaginal area which will sitmulate them like mad.. the trick is to find it.. work your way around both of her arms, making sure you visit the lips every now and then.

Step 5: Once you feel you've built up enough tension, deeply kiss her on the lips and then start kissing your way downwards - having her bra off would be nice so you can tweak / nibble on her nipples - but it's not a must have.
Undo her trousers and pull them off. Any LMR you get should just be ignored, you can try freezing out - you seem to do it well, but trust me.. she aint gonna freeze out. the idea behind this is to make you pleasure every part of her body, not just kiss her and ram your fingers inside her. Start doing the same to her legs as what you did to her arms.

---You are gonna have to get into your head that she DOESN'T HAVE TO suck you off, or jack off your knob - this being her first time with you, it's going to be YOU giving to HER, because believe me - if you do it right for the first time.. she'll do anything you want - no matter how perverted, in the future---

Step 6: Ideally, she'll be laying there, a big grin on her face - in her panties and topless.. take your trousers off (and make sure you are wearing black boxer/brief shorts - they're best). Now, at this point - you take off her panties. She'll be looking worried.. so you go up again and give a long deep kiss, and kiss your way down.

Fingering and Chowing Poon: Rightyo.. where to start. This is where battles are won and lost; but are gonna Win .. lick your fingers and rub down her vaginal lips, you'll feel if she is wet or not.. which she will be, if she is medically healthy, she most defiantly will be. Now, you are gonna finger her and lick her out at the same time, it is definatly the best way to go about it. Insert your middle finger into her. MAKE SURE YOU HAVE TRIMMED YOUR FINGENAILS!!!. Once you have gotten down to your second knucle on your middle finger, curl it upwards and you should be able to feel her G-spot. When fingering her, don't just dart your fingers in and out of her, it doesn't do anything..
Get your finger onto this g-spot and tap it, go circles, finger it like crazy! She'll love you for it. Get a second finger inside her if you can manage it and keep pounding her g-spot.

When licking her pussy, you are basically lashing her clitoris with your tounge.. However, this is where I have to leave you to fly solo.. because unfortunatly - every girl likes to be licked out differantly. If you don't know about the wonders or whereabouts of the clitoris.. i suggest you stop reading this and find that out first.. LOL
You will have to be VERY sensitive to HER RESPONSE!.. lick her in one area, see if she likes it.. feel free to experiment - but Sex Experts suggest licking out the Alphabet of her clitoris.. A, B, C etc..
Lick her out AND finger her at the same time.. she'll love you for it.

I'll be back in five - i need to take a dump, and put some clothes on..

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Okay, back with clothes..

Now, at this stage - it'll be going well.. just keep it up, and try to get her to climax..
You'll know if she is having a real orgasim because her legs will tense up a lot around your head, and you'll feel her vagina "pulsate" around your fingers..

Best thing in the world matey.. right at your fingertips.

Needless to say, by this point; it's unlikely she's going to say no.

Just take it slow..

As much as I love explaining how I seduce women.. i'm not going to explain Sex to you.. all i'll say is; Get yourself Durex Sensation Condoms.. it's got a tingly lube on both sides of it.. it's fucking ace!

Now, you might think "holy fuck.. what a sad bastard, he's really getting into this".. but seriously - this is what i do.. i'm not exactly on speaking terms with my last girlfriend, but i'll get a quote from the next lucky girl to walk into my room

A few words to leave you with:

The best lovers are the unselfish ones.. just because Pornstars are happy to suck cock and drink spunk, does not mean your girlfriend will..

and finally.. if you fuck it up.. call me and i'll shag her hahaha

-Illusionist!

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very nice illutionist ..
should sticky...

Slight licking the earflap, bite it, and kiss it.. her whole body will feel it..
also... licking the neck.. she will love it..

Ps: Why black boxers??

haha, "earflap".. love it

stimulate her "ear lobes" (<--- in english Bimm3r), they'll send shivvers of pleasure down her lovely body..

Wear black underwear for 2 resons:

> Black is a minimizing colour, therefore when you are strutting your stuff infront of your GF you're giant couch potato ass won't seem so damn huge.. and then it's decieving colour as well.. when she pulls off your boxers to see your cock, she'll be wow'd by it's immense size, and totally perplexed at how it stands upright..
again, moving attention away from your slobbish, celulite ridden bum cheeks.

> If, like most people (NOT INCLUDING ME) you fail to wipe your ass properly after taking a long hearty, corn speckled dump. Your "tighty-whiteys" are going to be ridden with skid marks longer than a drag race track.. can you imagine anything more revolting for a girl.. taking down your pants, about to give you a real good tounge lashing then seeing sight of that.. *shudder* i know a few girls who would bite my dick off if she ever saw that in my pants..
Soooo if you're wearing black.. it can't be seen .. not without close inspection.. and trust me, she aint gonna sniff your underwear..

You have been warned.. and besides..there is nothing sexier than a tight pair of black french lace knickers on a woman.. sooo, the same must apply to guys in black underwear in a girls eyes...

savvy?

-Illusionist

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Lol.. haha..

i think you are right..

Most of my undies are black.. but i just got 2 g-star boxers.. white.. good thing i didnt open them.. i'll go chance them and get come black ones hehe..

I read you said stimulate her earFLAPS (sounds better), but i thought you meant with your fingers.. which works good too..

lmao thanks for the replies boys. will take them into consideration. cant wait till i have a happy and healthy sex life with the mrs.

cheers!

just hit a big barrier today.

well this is what happened. Today was probably the fourth time weve gone to third base together. Made the misses quirt today, very proud of myself. After extensive reading on g-spot techniques, it happened. lol
After we hugged and rested for a bit, she went down on me. Terrible blowjob btw, too much teeth on my dick, didnt make me come. (my bad if this was too graphic, just thought id put it out there)

Well i soon realised that she is one of the girls that holds her virginity sacred (as you were talking about illusionist). She told me she didnt want to do it.
After our session, i felt abit disappointed and she noticed. We talked about it and she said she really loves/cares about me and wants to make her first time special. She wants to make everything right and values her virginity.

Personally, i dont think this is a problem that can be solved through game, techniques and my attitude. I believe that this will only be resolved in time. Its basically all up to her because she knows i am ready. I told her i respect her.

Thanks for listening fellas, just thought id let you know whats up in our relationship + help anyone out in the same situation.

cheers!

You and this girl clearly aren't on the same page it'll only cause you more frustration and disappoint the more time you spend with her. You know you want to spread her legs why settle for anything less.... This girls just going to continue dragging along for the next couple of months until you can't take it no more and the worst part will be you let her do it. I warn guys if they want sex in a relationship and the women's making them wait or earn it like it's great a reward. Run away fast

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Run away fast? Are you kidding me ??

Why should he dumb her only because she dosent want his cock in him?
Seriously, there are more important things in life than sex...

Dude if u love her, then screw the sex......

Hey, perhaps you will find out that sex in a relationship ain that important .. unless you are a selfish bastard.

Now Bimm3r, this is probably the worst bit of advice you could give..
Sex is not just a natural act to stimulate pleasure, but it is essential to maintaining a happy, long term relationship. Marriage can be made and broken purely on the grounds of sex.

It is not just a case of putting his cock in her.. this has to be done on a more spiritual level now that she still has her V plates on. To be honest.. i bet she is waiting for chirstmas to do it for her first time.. thats pretty special..?

You have a month to up your relationship came..

Yes, true there is more to a relationship has just sex...and these two have got it - they seem to have that common intrest that unite a couple.. but she is the second catagory girl.. her first time is something she will hold very sacred..

there are girls that will hold onto their V-plates for a long time..Reo has got a point, if she is willing to have a sex-less relationship with you for months on end, you have to look at 2 possiblities:

> Stay with her for the time, be her first.. but the problem with that is girls who keep their virginity for a long time will "mistake sex for love".. she'll probably want to marry you if she seems like that clingy type.. BUT! you're relationship will probably be a really happy, meaningful one..

> Leave her behind, you're 18 years old.. AND a PUA.. you should be banging every chick and her dog when you get dangerously good (which cannot be done with a LTR)..


which one works for you?

Love with sex you have to work for?.. or sex without the love?

I'm not going to choose for you.. neither should ANY of us..

keep me posted

-Illusionist-

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