Probably the most difficult part of online game is the opener. Lots of guys say negging is the way to go, but I've developed my own theory on the subject (was getting laid online before I knew this forum existed so all my material in that realm is original). The most important thing you can do... wait...the most IMPORTANT thing you MUST do is make the target feel individualized. Her online day involves clearing her inbox of hundreds of e-mails from guys that are all similar, all begging, and all AFCs. You MUST stand out. How? Simple. She knows that you send many letters hoping to get a single response. She's evolved to recognize and ignore these letters. So what's the tenant? Here it is:

Make her feel like she is better than the other girls online on a deep, intellectual, and spiritual level.

Girls compete against one another. We know this and use it in the field. Yet for some reason, I've never heard of anyone using it while sarging online. Over many iterations I have developed a canned opener that makes the girl believe I have written her a touching, individualized compliment. It has an OUTSTANDING response rate. Though I won't post the whole thing, I'll post the main points, and you'll get the idea:

It begins with this:

"I read your profile and noticed something that I can't say about many girls on this website...you actually have a personality. Strike that and I'll take it one step further...you actually have a pulse. "

That line catches her eye with both wit and originality. I go on to explain why she is different, and I even congratulate her for it. Though everything I'm writing is canned, she is oblivious and consequently touched. Then comes the humor:

"I've read vanilla profile after white bread profile on this website and came to believe I was dealing mostly with robots. And nobody wants to date a robot...they are made of metal and have claws."

The target will love this. In her response she'll assure you she isn't made of metal or has claws in some joke retort.

Close by asking her to check out your joke-laden profile. If she's interested, tell her to shoot you an e-mail back. You look forward to hearing back from her (say this, show's confidence).

Get it? I've got more material in my back pocket. I can take a target from opener to phone-close with 80% canned material. Let me know if you are interested. There's a lot, I have theories that are all mine and have gotten me laid numerous times, but I won't post them if nobody cares (my fingers are tired). Rock it out, gentlemen.

-Esperanto

Please post your material i am very interested. if you have a word file or something so you can just copy and paste everything i would love that as well.

yea bro, post up!

I'm mainly focused on in-field sarging right now, but online seems interesting. Which sites do you use? I've looked over Craigslist and noticed most of them are fake/badly put together.

The site I use is match.com...its pretty good. Myspace will work also, but you've gotta have airtight game since its not a dating website.

An important point to note is that online sarging is totally different from in-field sarging. If you talk to a girl, you are hitting on her...and she knows it. Its a dating website after all. You can't ignore the target initially, either, for obvious reasons. I don't practice much kino online unless its to flirt, but thats just my style as others will advocate it. Anyways, I posted more about my online theory concerning constructing a good profile, and if you are interested I'll talk you step-by-step from opener to phone close in following posts. From there, you're on your own...

By kino I mean negging, in the last post.

hey dude

u posted some interesting stuff man. I'd be interested in more of what u have to say. this thread really needs some experieneced online sargers to share their ideas and encourage others. i actually have quite a lot to contribute to a thread like this.

Personally, i try to keep my opening msg's a bit shorter. i think yr examples lean towards putting her on a pedestal....as if she's the prize. I don't thinku always need to individualize yr initial msg, it's too time consuming given the generally low response rate. Ideally yr initial message should pack a punch. as u said, she's sorting thru a shitload of lame msg's, thats why it needs to be concise, funny and cocky.


As my game becomes tighter, and my choices wider, i find my msg's can be shorter and to the point, if ya cocky and confident u can do really well onlne. An important rule for me is to never talk about where you/hur work, wot you/hur do, yr/hur hobbies blah bah....these are tabboo topics, BORING BORING BORING. i talk a lot about dreams, starsigns, guardian angels....shit like that, give her images that 'transport' her to an ideal world. As in all PU, yr language must be sprikled with sensuous and inviting language. Give her images of the waves singing, drinking cocktails while watching the sunset, the feel of wet sand while walking along the beach, salty seabreezes blah blah blah.

Always frame HER as a predator, and u as someone she wants.....NEEDS sooo badly. This role reversal of is a subtle and effective way to DLV hur.
Tell her shit like in yr dream SHE tried to kissya, u wouldn't let her so she got angry. then tell her she looks sexy when shes bitchy. Or tell hur u are willing to be her sex slave.....if she asks nicely. i end my msg's with a ......'maybe u should know me', remember that U are the prize. This style has gotten me from opening msg to F-close in a few days. Coming across alpha online is essential.

if u sent a few msgs to a chick and she's somewhat luke warm, stop msg'ing for a while, a few weeks or even months....then pick it up. i've found they are often more receptive to the seduction after a break. If ya not heard from yr target, msg hur and call her on it: ""GRRRRRRR....hey, why u not send me a msg 4so long, i can't believe u don't think of me every day!!!!"" A lota chics respond well to an image that has a badboy shadow. Ya gotta be mysterious, an enigma, don't give too much away in yr profile, certainly don't list yr occupation of hobbies (unless they are clearly ridiculous). Change it regularly, static profiles=static people.

peace
DM

Deadman,

Interesting stuff. We have slightly different games, but I'm sure your game works well. I agree with you that you can neg online and I do...in my SECOND e-mail. I peak her interest with the "pedestal" e-mail as you put it, then I rip her right off in the second, but in a playful way. Lets call it push-pull. Regardless, I'd be interested to know how the theory behind your online game. Also, my opener e-mail is totally canned, but every girl thinks its completely original and the best e-mail they've ever gotten. I'm going to continue posting my step-by-step method. Stay tuned...

Damn guys I'd like to hear more about this! Please post more material

Yeah dude i got a match.com account but i can't figured a way to open. If you can post it up that great man.

Great stuff man! Kudos to u!

As mentioned previsouly, the opener is the hardest on myspace because she's flooded with creepy old men and AFC's telling her how sexy she is and what they'd do to her, which she enjoys but is also kind of creeped out by.
A lot of times the girls just have up pics and not much material about themselves and sometimes its hard to find something to open with... This is why this is fool proof, all profiles list what her astrology sign is... You say "hey my mom/sister/friend is a "pisces, aquarius, cancer" or whatever too... I bet you're very ______ and you're personality is_______. am I right??? All you do is type their sign in google and one of the top search results will give a list of traits, personality types and characteristics of that sign, a lot are kind of general in nature which is good b/c we'll prolly be right and most are positive characteristics that even if the girl doesn't have that trait she'll relate it to experience where she did or at least admire the fact that you thought she did... We all know most girls like astrology and you reading her personality and telling her things about her will make her feel a connection and understanding with you.
The opener doesn't even really matter, just give her something original thats gonna provoke a response or allow her to run her mouth, you set 'em up and she'll knock 'em down!!! Mention nothing of her good looks or outright compliments or she'll know you're just trying to mack on bitches on myspace which, well, is simply creepy and desperate to her...

If she has her IM name listed then even better, she's a lot more likely to respond to an instant message that pops up than some email she got... For the email you have to gain interest and intrigue her to write you back, on AIM she'll do it just out of curiosity. She's gonna respond to almost anything you say and start asking who you are from the get go, play around with her but not to the point she gets pissed and blocks you. I've found a lil bit of cocky-funny goes a long way... remember, its hard to tell on AIM if someone is joking or being serious, you can be playful and come off as an asshole real easy. I opened a HB8 blonde with:
"Is it true blondes have more fun?"
her- "of course, who is this?"
me- "the boogie man"
her- "oh really, I'm scared!! who is this?"
me- "well obviously you don't know me, I don't know if I should tell you my name"
her- "well I don't talk to people i don't know, do I know you?"
me- "unfortunately no, but you can call me Advice.."

Here's where I almost fucked it up, she started shit testing me like a motherfucker for sending her an instant message after seeing her myspace page.. she was like "so you just felt the need to IM a complete stranger... " I responded with "no I didn't need to, you just got lucky that I saw your myspace and saw you had a personality..." she gave me a lil more shit about it so I negged her with "yea I don't usually just message girls I don't know, you're not one of those crazy, psycho stalker girls are you?" then brought up the fact that shes the one that posted it on her page... we talked a lil and she mentioned she was tired so I DHVed a lil talking about how I was out all night last night with friends and got no sleep... From there we went back and forth a lil bit before she asked for a friend request and then talked some more before she ended up going to bed and saying she'd talk to me later... still have to see where it goes from here but I'd say it went alright, to be honest I don't give a fuck, just wanted to see whats gonna work and won't. I felt like it went pretty good and she had some interest but we'll see.

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Well, I for one say POST THIS SHIT, Esperanto!!!!

Your opener is ROCK-HARD and I haven't seen anything like it (seriously I'm tired of hearing guys say "use the wig opener", I wonder how many girls have already heard that one!)

So I would like to see the rest of your methods, it seems like some super-smooth online natural game... Most guys are using a hyped up neg game, so I want mine to be unique and stand out from all the others...

So please post.....

Dude this thread is nearly a year old since the last post. Look at the date of the last post before you reply to dead threads man.
Not having a go, just saying you know, it keeps the forum fresh.

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Good thing he did post because I would have never found it if he didn't

we could do with a thread with all this useful stuff linked on from the the past....