I created this thread so we can discuss these topics:

1) A PUA should have a content rich online profile or none at all (since he should be doing so much stuff that he doesn't have time for this stuff)?


2) If you think a well made profile is best, what are elements you think are MUST HAVE?

I'll give my opinion here:
1) I've seen both the "no profile" approach and it's good to convey mystery, but at the same time the girl will have no comfort (yes, I think something about yourself conveys online comfort that you're a real person), but I also saw the well planned profile approach and if well done can do wonders, but at the same time can convey that you care too much about what others think. I still don't know which one is best, and thus opened this thread.

2) I don't have a well done opinion on this, but I think stuff like groups or communities of these social networks that talk about relationships like for example "She's so special" can trick a girls mind into hoping this is for her even though she's not sure. So she has that "relate but isn't sure" effect. (if you know what I mean). One-itis will relate easily to this stuff.

It depends mostly on the age bracket.

The younger generation will most likely want to have well developed (read: good) profiles, with tons of female interactions and fun pictures. The good thing about facebook is that you don't have to spend much time on design, unlike myspace, instead you can concentrate on actually social networking.
Older guys may want a more minimal approach, since likely older women spend less time on the internet.

The second topic I'm not clear on. I don't see how being part of a chick group would be beneficial nor detrimental. Plus I don't think many girls actually check/care what groups you have listed.

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what about when you have a fb profile and everything is limited and people cannot see anything except from the status oyu have?? is this ok?


of course there is that function that you can "promote" them to you r normal profile and they can see everything! and i think that you can play good with this ace in your sleeve!

I'll add my 2c worth.

I've been doing online stuff purely on dating sites for some time now. I'm doing lots of different experiments to come to some sort of conclusion on this.

Ok do profiles matter? If so what should be in them?

From my most recent dive into online dating site I was in a situation where my profile description and photos were going through an approval stage and no one could see much for 2 days. I was still sarging as basically that authorisation was out of my control. When my profile was authorised did it lead to any great difference in responses? ... Not that I could see.

I'd run an experiment where I have 2 profiles one almost empty and the other full of good stuff and contact the same girls and see the results.I'd have to prepare 2 sets of different mail openers and that could swing the results.An experiment to try on POF I think.

In all my time using the net, no girl has commented on my profile other the time it was good as empty. However girls have commented on the mails I've sent. I've even been on a 'date' where the woman readily admitted to have not even read my profile!

I'm a big fan of Insider Internet Dating and Dave M says that the profile is NOT the most crucial part of online game. Your mails or messages, to get any connection to a real life meeting, are the most vital part imho.

I think setting up a good profile is simply a matter of avoiding the standard and plain bad things. Have a few good photos of yourself with preferably an action shot and some social interaction shown. NO topless shots. Don't make a list as your profile text, use descriptive words, keep it vague, NEVER reveal too much. Spell check and proof read your text.

I think I could successfully game online with little to no information in my profile.

I find what is called the short skirt method with online profiles. I learned about this method from some article online. I forgot who did it, but in short the method is about showing the right amount of "leg" to grab the girls interest. I have found this has generally work well for me with girls that read profiles. Tho as it was mention not all girls do read profiles.

Hey guys,

I recently ran a profile which had the barest amount of information I could get away with - essentially area, age and my sex - NO photo , profile description etc. I gamed as I have been doing recently. The same way which HAS worked.

The results are a bit of an eye opener. Far worse than I expected. After sending out 25 mails I had 2 responses and they were from women wanting to know more and asking for a photo. I mailled them photos and said a bit and tried to steer it offline as usual...I got 1 reply and that was a negative (I was told I was business-like, blah blah blah). I've sent out chase up/reminder mails to the others and received another 2 replies basically saying they are not interested.

So I think that says or proves something. This must be a trust thing - no information in the profile equals no trust.

I next plan to test a profile with text description only.

No photo in the online game is death. No matter how good your message is that's the only thing the girls is going to think about.

I was running a test with the Perfect Internet Game message and I just set up my profile but my pics weren't visible yet. I sent the message out to a HB 9 and got an immediate response. She liked the message but of course she asked for some pics.

I'm in the same camp as jurupa and skypirate on this one. Have a vague, 2-3 paragraph profile that's fun to read and doesn't reveal too much. Your messages are the most important thing online, but they won't mean too much if you're a total AFC in your profile or don't have any pics.

I would say at most there is a 50% chance a girl is going to read your profile, let alone your stats. Most girls tend to just look at your photo maybe check out your stats (ie height) and if they like what they see they respond.

I wrote about this extensively in another thread so here's my experience and 2c worth.

NO photos in an online profile does NOT equal failure. I've sarged almost exclusively without an online photo and have had about 20 'dates' from it within the last few months. So have I not sent girls my photo/s and they have met me blind? Of course not. I've typically sent photos when they have asked for them and in chase up/reminder messages/emails. I think photos *need* to be used near the start of sarging but not necessarily first.

The reasons I don't have an online/profile photo. To protect my anonymity, the site I use displays profile pics on it's home page which non members can see.I cannot see an option to avoid that. The main reason though is that I can experiment with various things.I would guess it's very hard to do if you're on the same site using multiple accounts with the same photo/s. Ok these are fairly unusual reasons so by all means have a profile photo.

Another aspect of an online photo is that it's meant to encourage unsolicited contacts. True, I had a profile up on POF which included a photo and had 20 unsolicited profile views and only 1 girl mailled me within 2 weeks. Yes that's great and nice but let's face it being online means being proactive. If that girl fitted my criteria I would have mailled her anyway. Girls/women rarely initiate any contact in my experience and some that do are scam artists. You have to be prepared to put some work in and not view setting up an online profile as a panacea.

Ok like I said my next experiment/test is to post a profile which is content rich apart from the profile photo and we can see what happens. I think I'll pull out all the stops to make an excellent profile description.

I read in a book,dont remember which one that people's first impressions moderate the impressions of subsequent information. Thus a negative impression from a photo could easily neutralise a better profile. at least in terms of unsolicited interest.

If you consider these 3 things (photo, profile, message), different ones come into play in different circumstances. For instance unsolicited interest is PHOTO then PROFILE and sending a message is likely to be MESSAGE then PHOTO (or PHOTO then MESSAGE) then maybe PROFILE

Women typically operate very instinctively over these 3 aspects and the positive or negative impression from any one of these can easily make or break ones chances of success. However a perceptual trick is to neutralise their ability to form solid impressions.

The best profile I had was pretty vague and I was getting messages from fairly hot chicks wishing I lived closer. I surmise this affect was caused by awesome PHOTO + neutral PROFILE.

If you're an average looking guy in appearance your chances are naturally much better as your PHOTO is typically neutral. Being an obvious metal dude by hair alone my PHOTO polarizes impressions. ie good impression by rock/alternative chicks bad impression by anyone else.

Considering it's a lot easier to accidentally shoot yourself in your foot in a PROFILE than write an awesome PROFILE and people are naturally inclined to read minor information out of context within limited information. The easiest strategy for most people is neutral PHOTO + neutral PROFILE + awesome MESSAGE.

I would imagine the afc ends up with
neutral PHOTO + neutral or bad PROFILE + neutral or bad MESSAGE


for unsolicited interest you need
awesome PHOTO + neutral PROFILE or
awesome PHOTO + awesome PROFILE

neutral PHOTO + awesome PROFILE really depends on how they might arrive at your profile and whether they have the attention span to actually read it properly. awesome PROFILE tends to depend on ones ability to write and we're not all blessed with such abilities (at least when it comes to defining ourselves)

the nature of awesome depends on the nature of the recipient.

Some good stuff in there Browolf.

I've nearly completed a test on using a text profile with no online photos. By the way I cobbled together the profile by rephrasing some online text from a MBTI personality page and added a little bit of text saying I didn't want time wasters and finished with a poem!

Here's the stats ...40 girls contacted, 16 have read the mail and 6 of them have viewed my profile page. I've had 2 girls I've not contacted who have viewed my profile. Of the mails I've received 1 seems keen, another borderline and the last 2 are excuse making.

I'll contact the 2 girls who viewed my profile and send reminders to those that haven't responded yet.

My next test i think will be with a photo and with a profile description which I've taken time and due care to make as best as possible. in short the best I can do.

Hi Guys,

I thought I'd check what happened to my test profile on Plentyoffish. 19 messages sent out, only 1 unread, 7 read and deleted and the rest just read. 12 messages received, 7 replies to my opener mail and 5 unsolicited messages. From what I can work out I've had 80 profile views.POF isn't the best of sites in terms of usability.

I feel brave or crazy so here's a link to my test profile.

http://www.plentyoffish.com/member16598367.htm

http://www.plentyoffish.com/member16598367.htm

Critique, advice or comments would be appreciated. Several things I would improve for a real profile are the photo - one without sunglasses, and have more. I'm planning on getting few unique ones done. More activities and interests. Improve the profile description. I cannot recall if you can edit any compulsory details after a while. Hair colour is wrong. Not certain if you can have children option as unspecified or not. I'd prefer not to say at the start.