Good topic.

I am def introverted but have had plenty of HB8s and HB9s.

Ive dated models, strippers and a LA pornstar. These girls have told me Im real good-looking but most guys wouldnt necessarily think so. I think Im good-looking but I dont think that has much to do with it at all. Sure - Some girls think Im good-looking. Im pretty sure that plenty do not. Im not tall either - just 5 9". When attracting women, I believe a guy's looks matters much less than his : brains, wealth, game, humor etc. anyways.

I know how to play the "life of the party" and the weird thing is: I dont feel that this necessarily increases the amount of girls that hit on me.

I honestly think that the introverted guy can win if he's confident, dominant and acts like the prize. The trick is you cant come off as snobby. You do this I feel by treating everyone the same and not being too introverted. You can mask the introversion with the 'cool-ness". Honestly, plenty of successful people I meet have this 'introverted' laid-back personality. I know it sounds silly but do you think the Godfather was this 'outgoing' party guy? Nope. Alot of dons are low-key, wise, cool and slick - trust me, it definantly has its appeal. Alot of women love it esp. very out-going women ironically.

Often times, I feel, some people who are super out-going are really just weak people and defferent to everyone. They need to keep talking becuase they 'need to please' people. I think I attract some women becuase I act cool and feel no need to please. I dont give a shit. The trick is : you cant be boring though.

My game is always: less is more. I speak less. I ask questions less. I answer texts with less info. Im always busy. I always offer less info. I am also always non-reactive (I completely hide my emotions which chicks love but is a problem that alot of extraverted folks have). I dont act all jumpy. My whole attidude is : "I dont care or give a crap. Whatever happens, who cares".

Believe me, it works.

Ok I like the idea of this, as I am really introverted. So you say you guys use a lot of C&F? What is the best way to approach a girl in this way?

This silent strong type, from my experience, is always really attractive.

Here is what you are trying to describe.

Watch the third scene. it begins at 2.30 when michael corleone sees the girl. But the real magic comes in 4.20 when he setles the conflict like a man. Watch and enjoy.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPov2ytuStI[/youtube]

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I belive that you guys are disscussing unknowingly the effects of "vulnerability".

I'm gonna give you an example: SPAM

SPAM in the 90's sucked because it was unreal, and kind of dumb.

Today's SPAM rocks, because he's not a cartoon character, he's a real guy with shit in his life. Dark Knight was awesome... SPAM Forever was not.

I'm gonna re-write what I read in the original post, instead of introverted alpha I'm gonna go with "Emotionally distant high value male".

Introverted alpha is not etymologically correct, because being alpha implies being a leader of men. Leaders cant be introverted, at least not the good ones, and being alpha implies being a good one.

Some women like emotionally distant guys, maybe because they want to "help" them and shit...I'm not gonna explain how that works cause its a complicated thing, and every woman is different. (Hurt puppy syndrome would be a suitable name for this condition)

Showing vulnerability makes you real and interesting, when you show you are vulnerable, girls kind of go like "thats sweet".

I'm not explaining how to convey vulnerability because I'm really hungry now... and that's material for another thread.

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I don't like the concept that to be an extroverted alpha male automatically excludes the fact that someone would have the ability to talk to a girl like a normal human being.

Just because you are confident, and have alpha male characteristics does not mean that you always are a dick to a girl.

For example, I believe I am naturally an extroverted alpha male. I have always identified with this, but I still have the ability to listen. Listening is not an attribute that ties in specifically to the introverted.

Going back to the original topic, I believe that both types of alpha's can be very affective, but are both with their positives and negatives.

I think that the extroverted alpha at times is an advantage in club situations, simple because there is so much energy flowing about everywhere. You have to exuberate confidence to stand out.

Anyway just some of my thoughts.

There are plenty of introverted leaders. They simply learn how to act a little more extroverted and find a nice balance between the two psychological types.

In fact, I would wager money that most of the "real" PUAs, actors and the many of the high-profile leaders out there are actually introverts who have learnt to act more extraverted (For instance, Guliani and Obama are considered by many to be INTJs). Introverts tend to excel in detailed analysis and deep-thinking. They are allegedly over-represented in the gifted category. So this can give an advantage, just because there thinking is in a minority. About 75% of the population is extraverted, while a smaller minority is introverted. I think many extraverts are not as easily able to see the big picture or they dont think too deeply/strategically about women.

It only stands to reason, that to be successful at game, you'd have to be a deep thinker. Introverts usually do this easily. I'd say that extraverts I know that are good at game also have what I would call an "introverted" side which also allows them to "think deeply". They are not just "doing" things all the time without thinking about it - the hallmark of much extraverted behavior.

I know for a fact Robert De Niro and Clint Eastwood definantly fit the bill of the introverts who act more extraverted. De Niro was an introvert who got into acting. Plenty of famous actors are known to be introverts who act extraverted. I've met a few celebs like Jay-Z also who seem to have a more introverted personality when you meet them.

These guys aren't necessarily the "life of the party" types. They act real cool and calm. They dont seek attention at all. The strength here is that they are not: reactive and easily impressed. Alot of extraverts are reactive, emotional and act to easily impressed/ too ingratiating. These characteristics can sometimes look weak to women. When you are a success, you can often just sit there and expect people to come to you and not say much.

Btw, this is my game exactly: I go to clubs often. My friend's usually rope chicks in becuase they act all extraverted and excited. They are party guys. The girls will think this is fun and they get in our bottle service area. Some girls like their vibe but in my experience, these girls are a little lower in looks - HB7s and HB6s. HB8 and up are more selective and seem to immediately know they can have sex with anyone of my friends who are running around acting like the "life of the party" and way too friendly. Guess, who is the only guy is who is semi-fun and approachable but not paying too much attention to these HB8s and HB9s? Me - the introverted guy who does need to impress them and acts like their presence is not even a big deal. Guess who gets the number of the hottest chick in the set at the end of the night or at least knows I can by her behavior? Often times, it is me. Believe it or not, despite all their "extraverted" efforts, they often dont get a number.

The truth is: While we like to think of people as being either very extraverted or introverted, most of us are some combination of the two or on some spectrum of it.

Being shy should never be confused with introversion. Being shy is very very bad.

I think the guy with perfect game would be able to draw on the strengths of the both personality types:

a) The introvert's great qualities are: acting calm/cool under pressure, non-reactive/emotional, always acting unimpressed/high status, never needing to say anything to impress people, seeming to not care about outcomes, never saying too much and having mystery (i.e. My thing is : I always say less than the chick and let her ask all the questions. This works), emotional connectivity/deep-thinking/analytical (ie. this helps for understanding and analyzing women and also relating to them). Believe me, if you able to act this way and command your crowd of friends where they seem to act like they value your opinion or do what you tell them to do, you are absolutely gold with women.

b) The extravert's great qualities: life of the party, center of attention, more fun than anyone else, brave and fearless, knowing the right people, witty and quick with words, more easily approaches women etc.

I think : You need a bit of both folks.

This is an interesting point, I started off as a shy guy and even after becoming alot more confident I still feel like I am "acting like an extrovert" at times which I feel is sensed strongly by others. I guess at these times its better to sit there and chill as I usually would if they hadn't entered the room rather than trying to get them to laugh. Some of the more confident girls will attempt to strike up a conversation with you but the downside is the shy ones will just sit and drool.

Generally speaking, I think when your at a setting full of alcohol e.g a party, anybody can act all confident and shit because they are drunk. The guys who don't get much will be going apeshit with the "dancing monkey syndrome" trying to get laid and the guys who get laid regularly will be chilling on the sofa whilst girls come up to them all interested. (Obviously they then need to say interesting stuff and talk a bit more but you get the idea).

At the same time though there is a line that needs to be crossed (more so in day game when there is no alcohol to protect you). You know the one when your heart starts pounding and you get the will I? will I not? say this. Then you find your inner alpha roaring at you to stop being a pussy and just go for it!... and it works... beautifully!

My personal opinion.. I think its about balance, as wackojacko above mentioned when he talks about having a mixture of intro and extro qualities.

and this is where I want to be.. I'm married(got he thru PU). But I still want to sharpen the saw to her and her friends and well, all of them.

I don't even know where I belong in the canon. Sometimes I feel energetic but depending on the day I just want to be cool.. I'm still experimenting though.

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i'm an introvert and not giving a shit is my attitude. you may think that by having sex with loads of woman will convert you to an extrovert, it may to some degree but there are 16 personality types out there and genetically confidence can't change you to an extrovert (maybe through practicing self-hypnosis throughout the years).

Introverts with high value and standards, don't fuck any chick they want to cuz they can. in my experience i do my thing and my social proof is known, and i let the finest most intelligent girl to come around the block. thats when i make my move. alpha introverts pursue truly what they want. someone they can actually give a shit about. thats me at least, and i love my girls.

Traits of an alpha introvert:
strong BODY LANGUAGE
good EYE CONTACT(truly make yourself feel when you stare, trust me on this, its seductive)
SMILE
LOOKS CAN HELP
AMBITION/SKILLS
PEACOCK or dress well, let them know you're style so they know a little about you
TONE OF VOICE must match your body language, meaning work on not making it too shakey, not too loud, but just right enough for her to hear to make her LISTEN and want more--anticipation. Always ROUNDABOUT her questions for intrigue.
KINO

Girls that find alpha introverts, the mysterious guy that every girl wants to get attention from, will fight with eachother to by the girl who "figured" him out. This is the power that he holds.

you can game once you find you're desire. through eye contact you'll feel her pulsating with lust cuz their pupils will get really big (its a good sign)unless theirs hella sun. you'll pretty much make her visualize you when you speak, and she won't have any rational thoughts against you. this is my technique in the comfort zone after i do some push/pull on my target. yet again, i'm an introvert, i hunt solo and find my target when she is by herself, unless if i'll never see her again.

I think you guys miss 1 part about the introvert alpha. My best friends has this trait. He enjoys himself no matter what.

In conversation with a group you have these extrovert alpha's trying to impress/head bump with words much like rams do and he will just say 1 things at the rigth time, and they will somehow acknowlegde his words and then continue being rams, then he makes a eye contact with the hb10 thats around, and with his eyes he communicates "look how childish these people are"

Then hes golden, because your not putting yourself out there, and that gives you power, no-girl likes a try hard, and when 2 alpha's meet thats what they become.

Its all about the situation, when im out with my american football friends, whom all are alpha, ill enjoy the roll of introvert, girls will see that you dont have to prove anything. If im out with other friends ill try to get the party going by being extrovert.

Wackjacko2001:
Interesting post. By the nature of the whole "game", which really is a very theoretical oriented approach to how people function in a social setting and more specifically, how you can get the edge with woman, makes me to presume that most people that find this interesting are more of an introvert than an extrovert. At least, introverts would generally be more likely to take the theoretical/analytical to extreme lengths, which can be a good thing in the game. Neil was an introvert, so with mystery. The game is probably founded on introverts, who had a need to take the analytic approach to how fucking works. They mapped out their theory, and here we are.
Would be interesting to set up a poll though. to see how many introverts there are here compared to extroverts. I am an intp btw., so I am not naturally outgoing, extroverted, talkative etc. but getting into the whole pua thing has made me more conscious about how people behave in a social setting, and how people seem to use surten "tools" to get what they want. That is interesting, to get laid is almost secondary to me, and acts more of a proof that you have what it takes to get what you want, and that your "tools" works up to par. As usual, when I become interested in a new thing, like the "game" currently, I want to be the best I can be at it. More because I just want to be good at it than getting laid.

I agree. Analytical types and the bloggers on this board (and other bloggers everwhere) are likely introverted wether they want to be known for it or not. And yes, I am not surprised that the PUAs you listed are likely introverted. (I would add Roissy to that list). To come up with such complex social concepts and deeply-analytical strategies, you'd would have to be. Most extroverts I know are just not incredibly deep about much of anything. They are more do-ers, less thinkers. "Doing" all the time has its positives but it can also make you more likely to put your foot in your mouth and acting tacky like repeating to an HB9 - "You are so beautiful" on your first date.

I have some extraverted friends who have a little game (i.e. Most are not even really aware of the little game that they have though). The extraverts that I know who are best with scoring women have an introverted or thinking side.

The extraverts whom I know that have no concept of "deep-thinking/analysis" usually end up with sub-par girls. They might get the odd HB9 or HB8 but more often they get 7s and 6s (which to me is no big feat). They arent slick enough to pull off the top-tier chicks. Their taste is often not very sophisticated or picky. They will sleep with anything or anyone - btw, I find this to be another turn-off to HB9s and HB10s. They want someone who is more discriminating.

I am an INTJ so as they say, we are percieved to be extremely self-confident, despite our introversion. Its important that introversion is never confused with shyness. Shyness to me is weak and very bad. You cant be shy. You have to be introvert who is confortable in your own skin and, of course, it helps not to act geeky and hide under the guise of "coolness".

Many girls have told me they were attracted to this confident quality about me. After meeting me, they quickly realize that I am a guy who thinks I have it all figured out and I play this up by exuding an "I dont care" attidude. I never feel the need to impress and follow all the social rules. Alot of my extraverted friends abide by social rules which can turn-off some very attractive women. I know it might seem contrary to logic becuase so many people starting to game girls have problems with understanding social cues but once you understand women, it helps to know the 'typical' social rules and then, ignore them with an "I dont care" attidude. This can come natural for an introvert.

For example, some extraverts I know feel the need to dress appropriately/very well/classy at high-class restaurants (I wear cool clothes and with a little obvious edge there. I wear what you're not supposed to wear. Either way, I wear whatever I want - ripped jeans etc.) This way I stand out from the crowd too. Alof of extraverts I know treat hot women like trophies trying to impress with lots of corny "gentleman" social graces. I am not a jerk but my introversion never allows me to treat anyone like they are particularly special. I dont tell hot girls how beautiful they are like plenty of my extraverted friends. Becuase Im introverted, listening is easy. I dont need to impress her, talking all the time. She does the impressing and talking. That's how it works. I couldnt imagine it any other way. In fact, I get a giggle out of alot of the extraverted guys who sometimes are trying to game the girl Im dating (these girls always tell me stories about these guys, calling all the time etc.) I think its better to be cool and laid-back. I say less. Talk less. Reacte less. I could careless. It works for me. I communicate: " Im the challenge. Win me over"

I love Myers-Briggs: I am an ENFP. That is pretty much as far as people person you can get.

I agree, someone should set up a poll. I believe knowing your personality and its strengths and weaknesses can give you great insight to your game, as well as life in general.

girls can be so attracted to a guy that they will come hit on him out of the blue...

girls can be so attracted to a guy that they will wait for hours in the same spot for him to come approach her, if some form of eye contact has been established (sometimes multiple girls at the same time doing this... sometimes also both the girl and her girlfriend are doing this... can you say "threesome?" )

girls can also do shit like grab his hand when he walks by... or stop him when he walks by... or lean in to talk to him when he is at the bar...

can your average joe be able to learn to provoke these responses from beautiful girls, by learning certain attitudes/mindsets, postures and behaviours? you would have to ask those PUA coaches about that, if they've seen it happen much to any of their students. But personally I think this is an unreasonable goal.

More reasonable would be, if you want pussy... go talk to a girl. Girls are nothing to be afraid of... in fact if you get rejected quickly, well at least you didn't waste your entire evening on her.