It's really hard for me to say that I trust people these days because it really took a whole lot of you(not on this forum but in life) to really burnish all the trust I could ever have for you..

Why?

Because simple. People are fickle, people are selfish, and people quite frankly just have better things going on that giving time to someone like you.

It sucks..

And before some idiots here flame me or start telling me my way of thinking is wrong, why don't you realize the undeniable truth that our world and the people in it are fading...?

I WISH I could message a cute hot girl on myspace and have it successful first try because she was just such an open minded nice cool girl.. But guess what? That never happens, well, seldom happens.

I'm a good looking guy too, I've got looks, some wealth, a very fun personality, and wasted tons of money maximizing every dhv and such in my life and on my online profiles.. but I sadly don't have any women to enjoy this with.. because nobody trusts each other.. routines even made this worse.. This all kills me inside..

Why?

Because the world is just not the same.. Back say, in the 80's, life was a bit different from what I remember. People were a lot happier.

Today?

We have 9/11, Major distrust issues with women to men, and I don't see in the near future any of this getting better or "working itself out".

What we need here is a true uprising of good GOOD people. The people who are bad are those who criticize others just to feel better about themselves.. The people who are bad are those who kill others for their religion. Those who are bad ignore well meaning people just because that person wants to brighten his or her horizon and that other person's by meeting someone new.. Ignoring someone is SUCH an invalidation of that person's worth it's not even funny. It basically screams, "You're not worth my time, get lost".. Maybe that person tried everything he could to be on a level where he'd be accepted by the fellow man or woman, but sadly, all it takes is the act of ignoring to say, "Nope, you're not there yet.'

Now those are bad people..

Good people are the opposite. They want the best for their fellow man or woman. They are open minded and are non-judgmental, they never ignore people(unless they can tell that person is out to hurt their safety in a very obvious manor) and they just love to have a natural good time. No drinks or drugs, just a natural good time like they had when they were children..

I can't even suggest to ANY of my friends, "Hey Joe, let's go out and play.." I don't mean "play" a competitive sport, I just mean play.. Like we did when were kids.. That innocent play time we had..

All that's gone when you get older..

So really with this post, I'm really losing lots of hope here with women and life.. It's not my mindset so the first idiot who says that seriously, just shut up..

It's the way the world is these days.. And online, it's worse.. There is so much fighting and ego and putting others down that you just have to stop and say, "wow" is this really happening between us human beings? That's why online, we have such a hard time pulling women.. Because women just don't trust us or our intentions and they probably look down on us because we're using an online site to game them..(But don't think the real world is better, plenty of shenanigans with women there too) I mean, why can't we just start a convo with "Hi" online? Because the woman doesn't care, she's just so jaded and just doesn't care to meet.

The days of canned lines and scripted routines are over in my book. This world really needs a human revolution. A revolution where we stop competing, fighting each other, and just accept and love eachother for who we are and play..

That's it.. Play..

But, that ain't ever gonna happen.

so whats the story behind this? what happened to tick you off?

It's honestly not one thing..

It's just all been piling up..

Life, how people are, women, money, career, everything..

The world is becoming a tougher place.. More people are born, less jobs, affirmitive action/rap music is very much the norm now, and it's just tough..

There's really no way to beat it either.. I've tried.

If there's one good thing this whole thing has taught me, it was to speak up and never take shit from anyone. Never give in except to conviction of honor and good sense.

Well I feel your pain that's for sure! Honestly you have to be careful with this pick up artist stuff. Sometimes it can actually screw you up instead of help you. Some people don't need a lot of help and if they start to try and use this stuff, it messes up the natural game they had to begin with. If that makes sense.

Anyway women online are almost impossible. They say men have unrealistic expectations but I find the complete opposite to be true. Women are way more shallow than men! But hang in there because it's not impossible to meet someone, just a major pain in the ass sometimes! I met the love of my life in a bar at a time when I literally thought I was destined to just never find anybody. Didn't work out between us but that is a whole other story!

Wow it sounds like your seriously depressed. Im not saying that to dis you but i kinda know how u feel coz i used to like this.

Its like just whats the point of everything ya know? Why cant this just be like n that could be like that. Yea life is very difficult but i learn just to plow through it n just have fun.

You think why is life treating you sooo unfairly n if you were on rich or powerful in some way, you would do every to help your fellow man.

Keep your chin up, go to the carribean, go on top of a snowy mountain, some quite place or whatever n just relax n figure out what you want in life.

good luck mate

I promise you that mind set is going to kill your game. That anxiety and caring so much will get you know were. It's hard now, but the more you act like you don't give a shit the more you will get out of life... Plus obviously your world doesnt deserve for ur caring. Just dont act like ur angry cause that also shows you care. I'm truly a carring person, but i have learn to not act like it and it works out. I have lost alot of respect for women in the process, but my life and success is awesome. Make life a game to you. and just try to understand the female mind more. I don't fully understand it, but the more u learn and test urself the more you see how simple and easyer it can be to manipulate them.

And the worst part of it is... the universe is collapsing. So what's the point anyway.

Well looks like you already have a ticket bought for your life, so why not enjoy the ride?

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Haha it's nice to see that someone on here still has some sense. Let me tell you something, you are who you hang out with. I think the best advice would be to stop hanging out with or talking to people who use means to lie, manipulate, or intimidate anyone. You will be recieving advice from those people and ultimately start living like these people whether you mean to or not. And instead of having more time to focus on how to better yourself and the world, you'll start using the same tactics, which in turn, is causing the same issue for other people that you are in now. It's a cycle.

I dated a pick up artist for a little bit before I knew anything about all of this stuff. Needless to say, it ended poorly. my opinion is that it might be because of the shit advice that all you boys are giving and receiving. Basically you think all of us girls are out to get you and ruin you. No doubt, some girls are crazy bitches. Not all of us however. And after awhile you run so much game on everyone, how the hell would you even know anymore?

Ever heard of a self fulfilling prophecy? when you feel a certain way, usually fearing something, and subconcsciously (or maybe in this case consciously) do things that act in accordance with your belief, ultimately causing the reaction you originally feared. (below is assuming he actually started off with somewhat normal intentions)
him: "damn I really like this chick. SHe'll probably fuck me over because most girls are bitches but I'm gonna go for it anyways."
her: "yea I like him, he's a cool guy, we'll see what happens."
after seeing each other for awhile...
him: "does she like me?? Do i have her completely?? well why the hell is she always talking to that guy friend of hers? Is she trying to piss me off? well fuck her then. Ill just pull a freeze out or punish her by ignoring her phone calls. Hell no I wouldn't think of communicating with her because then she'll know I really care!! Then she'll know I'm jealous and jealousy is insecurity which is UNATTRACTIVE! Plus the less I say, the more mysterious I'll be! I'll show her. She'll know she can't fuck with me like that anymore."
her: "why the hell is he acting so strange lately?? hmmmm maybe he had a bad day but I'll give him his space."
him: "WHAT THE FUCK!? Why is she not even calling me?? Doesnt she fucking care? Whatever I'll call my other PUA friends for advice. See! I fucking knew it. Even they say she is fucking with me. Screw her. I'll go fuck someone else and ignore her some more. I'll get the control back!"
her: " why is he acting so distant? Whatever! This is getting ridiculous. I'm done with this weirdo"
him: " I knew she was a bitch the whole time. All girls are bitches!"

maybe that's a bit dramatic. Or maybe not considering what I've read on here and numerous other sites.

I'm sorry, but the advice is lame....

for example: "if she tries to act in a way that confuses you or hurts your little boy feelings- PUNISH her by ignoring her. If she acts strange, put her through a shit test. If she complies, then hell yea!!! You have control. If not, then forget her. Go fuck more girls. if you still have the hots for her, go fuck every girl you see. then your one-itis will be cured! if you still like her, go fuck more chicks!!!"

here is my problem with this: If you continue to fuck with a girl by testing her, playing games with her and on her, and trying to control and dominate all the time...she will stay. IF she has low self esteem. Last time I checked, low self esteem is not an attractive quality, right? But hey, if that's what you are looking for then more power to you. You will end up with teh type of girls who are looking for a daddy figure and sleep with everyone- so don't fool yourself into thinking this makes you special. And ultimately you will probably be sorry when you end up with AIDS or herpes or a child that is or is not yours. Either way you'll have 18 years of child support payments. YAY!

If a girl is smart and has a mind of her own- which is the type of girl every guy ultimately wants- she won't let you control her, dominate her, or play her. She'll get out as soon as she realizes what she is up for. She knows she deserves better than that and she won't waste her time trying to prove it to anyone. She might be a bitch to you and she might be standoffish or act confusing because she KNOWS even if she can't prove it. This is the type of chick you would actually want around, yet can't have because she wouldn't want a little boy who has to resort to manipulation and tricks to get her.

and another thing. I guess that favors are another word for shit tests. And its "psychologically proven!" so I guess it MUST BE TRUE!!! Well last time I checked, in any relationship you are in, people are going to test you. I once asked the PUA I was seeing if he could pick me up something I needed while he was in the area since he was coming over anyways. He didn't respond. He comes over empty handed and said "what? I couldn't get it. Get over it. Go get it yourself." It didn't make me like him more. That was the beginning of me wondering why he was being such a jackass over something so small. My friends don't treat me that way, I don't treat my friends that way. so why would I let a guy act just strange and shady toward me for no apparent reason? And when I started getting distant, his self fulfilling prophecy started coming true.


"any club that would have me of a member, i dont want to be a part of" is a saying that displays an inferiority complex. guys with low self esteem dont want what they can have. They want what they can't have because this girl not liking them is actually this girl in sync with how the guy feels about himself. he doesn't want a girl that wants him because he feels he is flawed so therefore something must be wrong with the girl who wants him.

last time i checked, real men who are content with themselves aren't running around trying to prove it to themselves. they have better things to do. They will appreciate someone who loves them for them because they love themselves as well.

That's why I don't think that this really comes down to guys wanting to be accepted by females. Its by guys wanting to be accepted-PERIOD. In the book "the game" he talks about this and that's why I actually enjoyed the book.

I guess I don't understand the intentions behind even beginning something like this.

Wanting to get woman? Ok, understandable. Well how about: Love yourself, get a fucking life. Get a hobby. Be excited and passionate about something. Learn some social skills. All this crap advice has helped you gain social skills? Good! I'm glad.

But once it turns into manipulation and psychology tactics to get into someones psyche for control, shit just gets weird and creepy. There is no way to defend that.

Other than the part about drinking and drugs, I completely agree with you that this world is going to Hell in a handbasket.......oh wait, its already there v_v

I dont think you should antagonize people to not get help for themself and stay in the state they are at. He is doing a good job looking to improve his life.
Don't let this come off as me being a dick(This is not an apology in advanced either). It sounds like this PUA really got under ur skin, the under lying reasoning for your post. These skills give men the opportunity to learn to be social and have a good life while giving others a chance of happiness from their presents. With these skills a PUA will be a better lover for his partner. This is better for women, because they always go back to the asshole, but a PUA is mostly good hearted and understands how the asshole does it, but the women is in much better hands. Your PUA did get u mad and jealous since u are bringing it up and are upset.

Sincerely hope everything works out for you and i'm sure it will!

I'm all for the guy who on here who is trying to better himself. I think that is a good thing. If you haven't noticed, that's why I wrote back to him.

I can't agree with you that women are in better hands with a PUA. Lets get real here...the majority of PUAs aren't out to please their woman or make their relationship with their woman better. It's a great defense but it's not really true.

The reason that these guys make goals to sleep with 100 girls is to make a woman feel better? To make the world a better place? They are ignoring/punishing/freezing out their recent girl all for her benefit so she doesn't end up with one of those REAL assholes. How kind!

Oh right, I forgot, but everyone wants to be seduced deep down....How does anyone have the right to treat someone as if they know what's best for them?

Personally, I'd much rather get to know someone on a personal level. Not behind their pick up lines and their manipulation techniques.

I see what you are trying to get across, but when it comes down to it, it's all irrelevant and meaningless because it's all games, it's not based on reality or who that person really is. It's a facade someone is putting on. Maybe in the beginning intentions start off good. But when you start messing with how to control someones psyche and think there are no consequences, I think it's a dangerous game to play.

I guess it does make sense to be in relationships like that in your teens and early twenties though.

Like I said, if someone uses this stuff for learning social skills, so be it. However, I personally think there are better ways to do it that doesn't involve other people who you are purposely putting on a show for.

Anyway you're making a very generalized statement to say that that my PUA made me jealous and really got under my skin. For a time being, yes, until I realized he was a nutcase. If anything, I'd say it was a huge learning lesson to me about how people can put on an entire show of who they are pretending to me. Eventually, the real person will come out if they havent truly worked on themselves first. I guess what you guys would call your INNER Game. I think once someone grows enough to work on their INNER game they will no longer need to put on a false face to the outside world. And I think THATS what makes the difference.

to the OP, im feelin that way some times..

Last night i was looking thru reading my comment pages on myspace dating back from 04.. The females where more open minded about commenting guys etc, as i was reading, i saw soo many opportunities that I didnt take advantage of, that i could have pushed towards a coffee meet. But i didnt know this back than, and also i didnt care.

But back than i was a club promotor, so i had a great social network and i believe that made me look more attractive. I had comments like "you should come out tonight" and "Hey i didnt see you at the club". Now i been out of that club scene for about 2 years and those same girls are no longer around to comment or write me back.. Why? either because I look boring now, theres a shit ton more guys/people on myspace *esp. spammers*, the females got older and thus dont really pay attention to myspace anymore and got busy, or they moved to facebook. Alot of the girls who commented me back than, are no longer on my friends list too *sadly they removed me from their friends list*

Now recently, i sent out alot of messages to some females Ive known etc, and alot of them dont respond anymore or read the messages *even tho i look at their page and it shows they have logged in after i sent the message*.

The user Mindwrap said it best in one of his threads Learn to live by this, she is not personally rejecting you, esp when she does not know you, she is rejecting her idea of your image. That makes me feel 10x better to think that way. I know its hard because im recently getting over a one-itis and hate seeing them go for badguys.

My mom said this to me and it clicked, not every female is happy. Alot of them end up with the first guy who comes around. They think they are happy with the badboy image guy, but in the long run its not a solid foundation. Look at all the young single mommas, usually its by the first guy who gets with them now a days. I do think this relates to todays society/influence. Not all women are bright in that department.