Am i wrong?

This weekend i was at a disco with some friends. I spot a two set on the sofa and move in. Every word has to be repeated since we can't her each other -.-
So you get it, eventually she loses interest and goes away...

Anyways after that i went downstairs to the quiet area where people were chilling and i noticed a hb8 resting her feet with two friends. I went to them and opened well enough to gather their attention. Then i followed up with the best friend test, but before i had time to interest them, my friend jumped in and kept disturbing me by asking the most random questions. So the tension was lost and the girls headed back up. Fail.

I would be extremely grateful if someone could find a way to get past the loud music problem. Other than that if there are matters that i should consider for next time, let me know

You're totally right about loud music. At a club try meeting people in the smoking area, chill out lounge or at the bar. The other strategy is if you can get a girl dancing after a few minutes ask if she wants to go somewhere quieter to talk because the music is loud. I use this technique all the time at lots of places and I have never had anyone say no.

Once you're at the second location it's already got an intimate feel because you lead her there and have taken charge, which girls love. The one big mistake I think I used to make is not talking to the girl long enough. To ensure that she will call you back spend up to 30 minutes talking to her are location 2. Any less and they don't feel enough of a connection to call you back. If anyone has better advice on this point I would love to hear it.

Dude, you need to be able to adapt your game to any environment. Break away from the linear mystery method on the occassion where you know it won't work. Your game should be like water: fluid to fit and fill any container. Pulling a linear verbal game on a loud disco floor is like trying to wedge a brick into a martini glass.

I always chat women up with bullshlt, and you're right, in a loud and busy club you sometimes can't pull it off. One of my drinking buddies told me one night, "man, you're doing it all wrong, trying to talk to them n shlt. Just walk up to a girl and get in there". Within a few minutes he was making out with this pretty attractive chick on the dancefloor, probly hadn't said a single word to her.

the point is it's a different type of game.

Select a target, establish eye contact, smile, make your way towards her and share a dance with her. Confidence confidence confidence. You'll know pretty quick whether it's on or not, or whether it's got potential. Anything other than a total freeze has potential. You've got to be able to keep a rhythm though, and the better you are at dancing the better you are at pulling it off. Women love dancing, it's a whole language to them, they go out with their buddies especially to dance the night away. A man who can dance is a big turn-on and you can bag a hot chick without laying down any verbal game at all, if she's down with your groove just lean in at some point and say something cocky/funny/neggy like "I can see you're dying to buy me a drink. I'll have a rum n coke. Thanks " or whatever feels right. You can build trust and comfort and escalation and all the goals of the verbal game just by dancing well with a chick, and then when the time is right take her somewhere quieter and she will be more than happy to go with you, or just neck-down in the middle of the dance-floor. You'll be surprised how connected a girl can feel to a guy she dances with.

It's all game, right? Don't be hemmed-in by protocol.

Mystery actually recommends you go to loud clubs since the attractiveness of the women usually correlates with the volume of the music. They know that guys are less likely to hit on them if the music is loud, hence they go to loud clubs.

I'm not sure if I've ever seen anyone pull off the "sarge without talking" routine described above. Yes women love a guy who can dance, but you have to be able to converse too. I agree with the bit about some initial contact on the dance floor and then moving her to a quiet location where the SPAM becomes more intimate.

I hear that.

this is a serious question. but when you grind with a girl, do they like it more if you have an erection?
this is really throwing me off. im a freshman in college, me and my friends will hit up the bars and go to the dance floor, grab a girl (they go with the subtle move in closer, don't say anything approach. i always go up behind them but to the side a bit, put a hand on their side and ask 'do you want to dance') and start grinding her from behind. it seems like they're just less into it if you don't have one. and when they're less into it, its harder to escalate things via whispering, neck kissing and turning them around to actually kiss. and after awhile of this, they just get bored and walk away.

maybe theyre just not into me? maybe it's because i find it really hard to get hard while standing with loud music (with or without alcohol) and its just boring to them? either way, just thinking about this throws me off and the rest of the night, im just not as confident as i should be.
any comments on this?

I wouldn't worry too much about the whole erection thing, the way I see it is that it's actually better not to have one, as it'll show that it takes a bit more for you to get turned on, and that you've pretty much seen it all before (showing pre-selection).


OT: I never tried opinion openers in loud clubs, I can see all the things that can go wrong; you have to repeat yourself alot, you can't talk to a group, because when you're attention is towards 1 girl, the others can't hear you and for some reason it just feels out of place to ask an opinion from a girl that's dancing and being high energy and stuff.

I find it hard to open direct in groups in loud clubs, but if you do just dance with everyone there (well, not the guys obviously ) so that it doesn't feel like a pickup, or you can go direct and dance with them, whatever suits your style.


Loud clubs are pretty cool though, you can get away with alot of kino, just because it's loud. Put your hand on her shoulder or waist (calibrate) and talk in 1 ear.

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An approach a day keeps the guru away.

When in a loud setting I usually open sets by sayiing, "Can you guys keep it quiet, I'm trying to listen to the music."

If the set has any sense of humor and they'll get it and respond positively.

OMG NO!

NEVER, NEVER approach directly from behind. Always come in from an angle that they can see you from.If you just have "grind" some chick at least wait for an IOI Women HATE it when some random dude just appears out of nowhere and starts grinding with a half-chub. Put yourself in they're place for second. Better yet, imagine your somewhere with an objective (most women go to clubs to DANCE) and then all of sudden a huge dog sneaks up on you and starts humping you. Are you turned on? By coming from behind, you've invaded personal space without any kind of invitation. As much as I despise this word, you make yourself a "creeper" when you do shit like that.

Oh and to stay on topic, I disagree. Yes loud music bothers the crap out of me when I'm sarging BUT really the biggest cockblock in ANY situation is Yourself.

Adapt, Overcome, Attract, Pick-up. Take her by the hand and talk in the smoke pit. If your comfortable (and so is she) talk into her ear while dancing.