I think I have to say something about this wig opener. I've been biting my tongue for a while.

Are you wearing a wig in that picture or is that your real hair?

Hey your hair looks so shiny, is it a wig?

A typical reply:

+It's my real hair
+Fuckin weirdo no I don't wear a wig
+Is that your face or are you wearing a mask
+Is that a real question? I hope not....

I have noticed a LARGE amount of people on the forum using this opener or some variant of it. As with most scripted openers they are used and abused. I'm not sure exactly where everyone is getting this opener from.

My guess is they see others are using it and decide to use it themselves. The main issue with this opener is there is post after post after pages of posts about how to recover from this opener. I know because I reply to a vast majority of them.

My question is why the hell are we using it to begin with?

First of all, there is the whole negging thing when using online game. I won't jump on the soap box today because I've already gone over it very well. There is just little to no need to neg online.

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Since we are past the whole there isn't much of a reason to neg while online gaming. Let's just look at this as an opener.

Secondly, keep in mind guys this is ONLINE SARGING. She can not hear your voice tonality, see your body langauage, or know if you are teasing. She doesn't know you at all and this is your first impression?!? Of course, she is going to react badly to this opener.

This is why there is such a negative reaction to the wig opener used by most of the guys on this forum that I've seen use it and then asking me for advice in one aspect or another. I completely understand getting a reaction out of the person you are after and getting a response. The problem becomes is this the type of response you really want to recover from?

There are hundreds if not thousands of ways to open a girl online and get a response from her. Of all the knowledge we have here on the forum is this really the best opener for online game we can come up with?!? I won't jump up and down too hard on the constant overuse of canned material but there is yet another reason not to use this opener.

~Jon

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i have tried that wig opener in the past. it's by no means my style but i was curious if there was something i was missing. what i found is this. In the following message where i say it looks good and go into some story with questions for her .. usually they are still hung up on why i thought it was a wig. then as talk about how my "friend" has this gf that kisses girls at clubs... (all that canned stuff)..well what happens is the girl i'm talking to either is still so deep in the wig thing or wants to talk endlessly about the question i had. Just my opinion, but i think the wig opener will get a lot of responses but i think less workable responses than a typical situation. I think it would just be simpler to open with something ridiculous, vague. and possibly neg like "you remind me of a crosseyed cat i used to have". It's not a putdown but would also lead her to wonder if it may be.

All I am getting at is typically there isn't a reason to open with a neg online just because it puts the girl on the defensive. Negs online are just not really needed. There is a link above to my post about it if you want to get in depth as to WHY.

Still, like Graybeard said its easier to just open with something outrageous or clever. This type of opener makes it hard to recover from.

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I really say it's situational, this opener is shit, I agree.

But, If you've built up some form of rapport you can do small neg's on women online with great response. I'm not saying it's the best thing out, but it can work in certain situations. I completely agree about the whole "It's far better in person" so I don't do it often, but if I feel it suits the situation, I'll throw one out there. Most often to make her qualify herself. Like the whole "I'm not sure you deserve that information"

Just my two cent's

-Abel

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i don't really neg online usually unless it's a push pull kind of thing. i'll just respond to soemthing they say by saying something "oh i see how it is, you're a meanie". if i'm feeling clever i will take it further and make up a mean scenario/story kind of. i may say something like "oh i see, you're secretly a meanie. i should have known. you probably wake up in the morning and aren't happy until you've stolen some baby's candy and kicked a few old people's canes." it gets laughs and gives me somethign i can fall into at any given time if i'm not sure what to say. but it'salways worked extremely well for creating rapport. it's giving them shit, being funny, and not being taken as hostility.

I just thought of this and wanted to add a point. I come from a background of just being a really nice guy. I do think that using the wig opener or something like that is good in helping to stretch your boundaries a bit. for a lot of us we have to go outside of our comfort zone to be insulting. not that we truly want to be insulting but for nice guys, it's hard to understand just how far we can push things and still be accepted and or desired. the limiting of ourselves is a large part of why were AFCs to begin with. I'm still curious as to where the lines are with things. Like how far is too far? I think that pushing the envelope is where we'd want to be ideally but just not going past the point of no return. but i do think that by forcing yourself to be a bit insulting teaches how to handle hostility and i do think it puts a person more in a player state of mind. but to get the results you really want from each contact i surely don't find it particulary successful. i had mysuccess stories with it but i coudl have just went another route and got there anyhow.

I've noticed in general conversation, if you throw 2 distinct things at people, they'll frequently respond to the second one and "ignore" the first one. Something to do with how most people dont have the ability to hold one answer in their heads whilst concentrating on what you're still saying. And yet with the quickness of thought the first thing will still have momentarily elicited some internal reaction.

However the nature of the first item has the potential to subvert the whole process if it elicits such a strong reaction that they stop concentrating on the rest in order to devote thought power to what they've just heard as if in disbelief.

The same process occurs in 2 part openers.

Thus with the wig opener being a pretty strong neg it's going to torpedo anything else you might say subsequently.

The only way to counteract a strong reaction is to mix the neg up with a compliment. e.g. make out like its cool to wear a wig... then they'll just be perplexed instead of insulted. and more likely to continue to the second part.

Excellent point Browolf! Mixing it in with a compliment may just be the way to go with it.

Graybeard learning where the "lines" are takes going out and getting in field experience. To be honest every time I think I know where a line is, I find out I can push past it. This is going a bit off topic but for example. I thought that being ultra direct with a girl would get you slapped. However, things like the Apocolypse Opener have worked for me. Basically, going up and asking her to come home with you.

Of course, no two women are really the same. What you may say with one to get you laid will get you blown out by another. It just takes practice to cold read people and get an idea for what they'd put up with.

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As it's rather stupid, I'd suggest not bothering to even use any wig and/or hair related openers for online game. It's been over used to death, to the point where most women quickly realise they're getting something scripted, plus it's likely to make most women respond negatively and ask 'what a fucking ridiculous comment that is to make', so doesn't get them to open up.

Something else (but done in a more wittier and cleverer way) to use instead, with negging or complimenting on, is along the lines of commenting on the way a lady is smiling, standing and/or looking in her profile photo/s. Use of negs in online game can work, but it's a very advanced technique and it'd only work on
HB8.5 - 10 women, plus a guy would need to water it down and avoid going overboard with it.