it's so god damn hard, how do i make it easier. the loud music is such a cock block

Are you trying to game at the dancefloor? because there is an entire topic related to that.
the main reason Mystery said its a trap is the dancing area that has an energy difference, and a different phase-shift once you open and actually dance(Kino).

As for the music, speak LOUDER and SLOWER.

Be louder.

Something that generally works is (if standing next to someone) "You just put something in my drink, didn't you!? I swear to god you did! No? [Introduction]".

Whatever works. Solve-based thinking. There is not a problem you can't solve.

lets say both. if i were to open a girl at the bar, and on the dance floor, what ideas should i keep in mind. i know louder is definitly one.

Remember as soon as you have some initial attraction move her away from the loud area to be able to talk to her easier. It's no fun with both of you yelling over the music and only hearing about half of what each other is saying. Take her hand and lead her away.

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Would some girls feel violated if you just grabbed their hand after a single interaction... and is it serioulsy a good idea to lead them away from the dance floor away from their freinds?? SHe'l have her slut defense up and she'll be like "i need to stay with my friends" even if she did like you.. how would you overcome this?

Actually, I don't touch her hand I touch her wrist with just a few fingers and very lightly. She could easily pull away at any time and if I get resistence then I stay where I'm at for a little while longer.

You have to know how to perform the "move" and if done properly he friends aren't going to have any problems. The mystery line for this I believe is, "hey your friend and I kind of like each other. Mind if I borrow her for a minute? We're going to be just right there (point to where you are going)." This typically is not a big deal since they know where she is going to be, also stay within eyesight of the group so they know she's okay.

As far as her bitch shield or anti slut defense most of that is disarmed in the first few minutes of talking to her if done right. The move will come about 5-10 minutes after meeting her.

"I need to stay with my friends...." If it was me, "I can completely understand that, I'm going to mingle some more," then I'd turn and walk. Remember we don't need this girl, we don't have to have this one, or anything like that. So turn to walk away.

If she touched me when I turned doing the take away then she's into you big time and you need to stay. If she doesn't stop you oh well. I'm not going to waste a bunch of time thinking about it. Sometimes the take away along with her seeing you talking to other people can have her opening you later.

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well. where would be a better place to take her? most bars have patios but in the winter no girl is gunna want to go out there? and the only other place i can think that it's quieter are usually where the bathroom halls are

This is where a bit of planning helps out. Look for places that are a bit quieter. I know no place is going to be noise free but a patio or entrance to the place. That might be okay, just offer her your jacket. I agree she isnt gonna want to be out there long.

I don't have all the answers. I don't go to the places you go to, but I am just trying to offer suggestions.

Just typically, there are a few places in the clubs that are not as loud as others. Just do the best you can. And if your venue is so small that it doesn't have a place away from all the noise, go outside if you can. If you can't then keep shouting I suppose, and then work to bounce her to another quieter location perhaps.

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