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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:45 pm 
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hey everyone, i wanted to ask so opinions on something,

in todays sociaty eye contact is faiding

if you make eye contact with the wrong guy, you might get your ass kicked.

and i think this keeps making eye contact harder.

i make it with women but it feels theatening sometimes and then i panic and smile which obviously looks fake... any help or hits from some experianced guys

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hey everyone, i wanted to ask so opinions on something,

in todays sociaty eye contact is faiding

if you make eye contact with the wrong guy, you might get your ass kicked.

and i think this keeps making eye contact harder.

i make it with women but it feels theatening sometimes and then i panic and smile which obviously looks fake... any help or hits from some experianced guys
Your not going to get your ass kicked from having solid eye contact. With that being said don't stare anyone down but still have solid eye contact.

One of the best things about eye contact you need to keep in mind is when approaching a group is you will have to share your eye contact with each member in the group. You spend a little more time looking your target in the eye but everyone you lock eyes with. This seriously shows confidence and it helps generate trust in those you are talking to.

When you are speaking to someone specific make sure to look them in the eye while talking to them. If you are asking the group a question then share the eye contact.

I know it can feel tough at first and it's a litlte akward to say the least. Just like most stuff on here it just takes some getting use to.

Final tip, when working with eye contact don't try and look in both her eyes. That is physically impossible because the eyes can only focus on one area at at time not two. If you are trying to look in both of her eyes then your eyes are shifting back and forth. Shifty eyes aren't a good sign when someone is trying to trust you. :) Instead, pick one eye to hold eye contact with. From any distance more than 3 feet they honestly can't tell what you are doing. Very few people know this trick outside of some sales people and a few of my past students. :D

Have fun out there!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:09 pm 
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wooo woooo wooo eye contact, my favorite subject. Don't worry about holding eye contact, it is the real test of a guys grit when he can just hold powerful sexy eye contact with a girl. It is almost a shit test in itself a girl will hold eye contact and watch most guys crumble and look away etc. That was the quick advice now for the long shiz (feel free to skip it).


Also I should write more books it makes advice giving pretty quick



So first port of call is eye contact is best practiced outside the club in my opinion, you will be able to get amazing results during the day with this stuff when practiced, then you hit a club and girls start blowing out guys and opening you.

Smut eyes (Eye Fucking)
Smut eyes (aka fuck me eyes) will get you more ass than a Ferrari, bold claim but I believe it's true (unless you find a club you can take your Ferrari into). The reason smut eyes work is simply that they sub-communicate everything you want to be conveying in a club (sexuality, confidence, attraction). I find they work best with more direct styles for the simple reason you are telling a girl you want to fuck her so if you then start asking her whether your friend should move in with his girlfriend there will be a real wtf moment. So, onwards with smut eyes.

Several gurus have different ways and names for these but the idea is the same. When you look at a women imagine that she has been fingering herself whilst moaning your name, in fact it is less imagining more picturing it and knowing that she has. This will raise a cheeky smile (let it) and change the way you look at a woman (this is the smut eyes I have been talking about).

There are two exercises I like to do to get my eyes down. Here they are;

Exercise 1, this is best done during the day. Find a busy shopping street/high street and walk from one end to the other and use smut eyes on every woman you see (old, young, white, black, single, taken). Then see the responses you get. More often than not you will get IOIs. Walk up and down the street as many times as you want to really get a feel for how powerful these are.
As a kinda sub-exercise do the same in a club (this is the basis for my game).

Exercise 2. People ask me about bf destroying, it is actually really simple, as long as you can read situations correctly. I just assume any guy with a girl unless obviously a bf is a male friend or guy hitting on her (use body language to confirm which is true). Anyways below you will see one of my favourite things to do in a club/bar. I will talk you through the drawing as my paint skills are far from awesome. Okies so you are stood chatting to your wing and over his shoulder you notice a cute girl chatting to a guy with his back to you (unlucky). So bearing in mind the guy can't see anything, if you use the smut eyes right you will notice she becomes less and less interested in what the guy is saying and spends more time looking at you than him. Now, if he is just hitting on her he will leave, if he is a guy friend you should approach and if it is definitely a bf wait till he goes to the toilet or bar and approach. Which ever of the above is true then you will want to be fairly direct, real grab the loot and dash shit, unless she tells you he is just a friend etc.

(Sorry to all guys I have done this to, she just likes me more :P )

Approach Invitations/Warm Approaches/Forcing IOIs
Lots of names but all the same thing. Gambler opened my eyes to this, it is creating some sort of communication/exchange with the woman before opening your mouth. This will cause her to invest slightly and also make the cold approach seem less sudden and intrusive. Another good part about this is it allows you to crack huge sets with little resistance (you will get to the set safe in the knowledge that one of the people in the set is willing to talk to you).

Righty, now onto the several ways to do this, I will list a couple of my favourites I am sure you are all smart enough to think of more.

This one was something my wing did on a night out and I thought was genius, he simply waved a girl over, and moved come here. She came closer and said "what for?" he replies, in a matter of fact voice, "banter". Sure enough she starts chatting and all is good.

This is my favourite, you simply use your smut eyes then mouth "hi" smile and look away. If you felt the need to tell me "A REAL ALPHA MALE DOESN'T LOOK AWAY YOU CHODE" stop reading start doing. This works a lot of the time in one of two ways, either she will walk over and say hi or you can walk over and open her. Obviously you can tweak this but this is the way that works for me.

Very similar to the one above, you make eye contact and smile. Again depending on how she responds you can get a feel for what to do next (a snooty look away is clearly not an IOI but singles her out as a girl to run asshole game on).

Situational versions of this are also something awesome. This includes asking girls questions non-verbally (Gamblers are you sleepy?) etc. An example of this is before I approach a girl by herself I look at her and kinda ask using body language and gestures (DO NOT bust into sign language or a game of charades), why she is sat alone. This works well because you have given her a chance to blow you out and yet are communicating.

Escalating Eye Contact in Rapport
This is another technique which is very handy when starting out. I used this method exclusively for ages and it was my way of getting kiss closes (build attraction till they kiss me). Ok now onto my frankly terrifying picture (who knows one day I may get a graphic designer to do this crap for me). Ok so first I gotta clear a few bits up, rapport in my opinion is when a woman is comfortable with you and can begin to open up and there is some chemistry (you click). As with most people I think rapport's perfect setting is once you have isolated, however things are rarely perfect so I will go into isolation later.

Another point I want to clear up is the eye contact thing, look into her left (your right) eye, don't ask me why armchair theorists always have a new reason. Just get a friend that is a girl and tell her you heard a cool thing and ask her which feels more sexual (this could also make for a good routine). I did this and they could never explain (see didn't want to answer in front of people) why but it feels "special".


1. Rapport, in this stage you want to be chilled you are just sitting chatting getting to know this girl so look around the bar, talk a bit and listen constantly. In terms of eye contact don't blow your load too soon, look into her eyes but look around the bar.

2. Deep rapport, this is when she will be telling you things he wouldn't tell anyone else. Expect secret geeky hobbies, passions, dreams and if you are playing the sexual card fetishes and fantasies. At this point you want to be sat close (touching if possible) and spend most of your time looking into her eyes. Begin slowing responses down as if lost in her words/eyes.

3. Deep rapport/seduction. This is deep rapport a few minutes later at this point you want to be kino'ing like a mofo (not sleazy but playing with her hands etc), then start slowing down what you are saying .... take pauses .... look from one eye ... to the next... then her lips.. then her eyes again and... lean in (you will never know how sexy that sounded in my head lol). But yar a favourite of mine is the trail off, for example "Yeah I feel... like .... the .... -kiss-".

I especially like this as it is a form of non-verbal qualification, she has won you over in rapport. It is also another good place to practice smut eyes or energy eyes, which we will get to next.

Energy Eyes (Hungry Eyes)
Great song, better seduction tool. I will be honest I can not teach you this but it will be damn useful to hear my story and try to learn it in the same or a similar way to me (plus it can't be bad to know what you are looking for). On to the story;

Ok (I love starting with that), so as you know I am at University and travel a lot this gives me ridiculous amounts of time with little to nothing to do and it was out of this I cracked these eyes. It all started a year or so ago. I spotted a girl in a club that absolutely glowed, she had something about her that made her stand out, an energy/aura I dunno I couldn't put my finger on it (also don't email me if you disagree with words I use, you want to debate semantics hit a language forum).

I spotted her several more times in clubs always surrounded by guys always inspirationally awesome (it isn't preselection, social proof etc etc I did those thought processes and disproved them). So I keep seeing this girl and eventually decide to hit on her, she is even better up close. I get so far then logistics screw me on the SNL.

The next day I have 8 hours in a van to look forward to and then 8 hours the next day to look forward to, so in short a lot of time to ponder. So I decided to sit down and decide what makes unattractive women attractive. Strange statement I know but in short I would be really attracted to a girl that physically would do nothing for me, before talking to her. And so began the longest 16 hour pondering session ever, I though about every girl I have ever been attracted to, old crushes, hot girls I saw on a bus once, girls I had seen in clubs and remembered and began to pick apart their qualities (half hoping I could pin down "my type") after a couple of hours of failing to find any connection I got to their eyes. At this point I realized every girl I have liked has had these same eyes.

Eyes that seem to shine, virtually producing their own light. These eyes also show such basic happiness and content, like a kid at Christmas or someone seeing a beautiful sunset for the first time. I then tried to incorporate this outlook (what I believe gives rise to these eyes into my life) I tried to be fascinated with everything, look at things like it was the first time I had ever seen them and find humour everywhere. Strangely months later I read further into a book I had been reading (Shambhala: Sacred path of the warrior) and it spoke about these very things. In short either do it the natural way so you have a greater understanding of it or buy that book and read it as much as possible.


hope it helps :)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:25 pm 
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AWESOME POST JAYBOT!

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good post above, i enjoyed reading it. I guess ill use some strong RIGHT eye connection in comfort from now on.


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@Jaybot Awesome post! It got a lot out of this and will be tring it out soon! lol, especialy right eye focus.

For the OP, I agree, and I'd assume we all do, that eye contact is still very important. But you don't want to staring people down. So maybe practice in the mirror NOT looking creepy. Your eyes can have many different expressions and you can say a lot with them. Its something you just have to feel out.

A note on EC: Something I didn't see, was using eyes to direct interest. Like, once you establish a comfort level using eye contact, you can use that eye contact to direct her where you want her to look. Basically, when you want her to look at something, you look at it with her. It'll make her a lot more interested in what you're doing. And If you're discrete, you can use that opportunity to look around the group and observe hers/there body language, because you know they're looking at what you told them too.. Example:

me (solid eye contact) - "Take a look at this (insert random object/gesture)."
me (break eye contact, look at random object/gesture) - "yackitty yackitty, blah blah..."
me (look at her for IOI's while she's distracted)

You should also be grabbing eye contact during your focus and bringing them back to it. It works a lot better than saying, "hey you, pay attention to me." Instead, you can keep talking your routine, and lock eyes with a distracted party, and then look back at your focus to pull them back. Its a way to multi task using body language.

PS - I picked this up from a sales manager and it doubled my sales on calls where i didn't know the customers at all. In my expereince, this works very well in knife sales, for all of you CUTCO knife salesmen. :wink: I've also shown it to a street/bar magician friend, and he's done nothing but thank me whenever i see him. It's actually getting kinda old, but i'm happy he's happy. I've been using it during times while i'm DHV. but not really during fluffing.

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