Hey people, thanks for reading in advance.

I've been trying to step out of my "comfort zone" in most situations but i'm still not clear on how to read subtle IOI's. The only IOI i can read is when a girl basically starts stepping on my toes. I assume in most situations, the esculation has to come from the guy especially if he's making the inital approach, but i'm not sure.

I've also been trying to be the focus point/leader in conversations...and i dont mean butt in my opinion whenever i can, i just mean bridge topic to topic in a discussion..is this a good thing to do reguarded social proof/DHV?

I've met a lot of people at this college so normally when i'm talking to someone for a few mins in any given spot, a few people will come up and say hi and w/e. This is a DHV i think, but i'm not sure how to react.

This usually occurs when i've gotten the girl to the point of articulating with reponses rather than simple one word bullshit. I've read about negging/push and pull theory and i'm not sure if i should use it by stopping in the middle of conversation with her to talk to my friend for a few minutes or not. Imo it shows i talk to all types of people, but the nice part of me would normally think it's rude and want to keep full focus on the girl. If i were to turn to my friend and talk for a little and then part ways, should i try to initate the conversation back up with the girl or no? I've been trying "sorry, what were we talking about"..but then i basically find myself having to get the energy of the conversation back up. Any advice?

I've also been trying to experiment with body language. I've tried facing the target directly and also, mixing in that and facing away(looking around) and basically just slowly walk around the target and as she keeps turning to face me. At what point should implement these different types of body language? I've felt being square to the person and smiling may come off as an IOI..so that's when i shift, but i guess i simply can't read IOI's. And i mean it's a conversation from both parties, so it's not like im forcing this interaction with this girl because she's being responsive, therefore i guess i'm clueless on how to tell IOIs.

I've read that when a girl looks you up and down, it means she's interested/attracted. I've seen that pretty decently as i walk from class to class/campus w/e. But after connecting eye contact , she doesn't smile so i refrain from doing so also. How should i react to this type of situation?

Sorry for the length, but there are so many itty bitty actions in every day life that i've never been aware of until i've been introduced to PUA.(in which im thankful for because it makes things all the more interesting). I will defiantly have mounds of questions to come because i'm trying to be conscious of these things at all times, every day. Take care all! Also if anyone has an AIM sn that wouldn't mind sharing and could provide some answers, that would be awesome!

Okay this is quite long and is gonna take a minute. I will break down what you said and give you the one question at a time answers as best I can. No, it is not about stepping outside your "comfort zone" it is about expanding it. (this is only if you didn't already realize this.. which you probably have.)
There are multiple lists of IoI's around here. You can look them up to your heart's content.
Women like to be led. Kino escalation MUST be done by the man... unless you want to hear LJBF. Look at it this way. There are two main differences in becoming her friend and becoming her lover.

1. Kino. Touching shows that you want to touch her all over... and friends don't do that (Atleast not in the places you want to touch)

2. SOI or Statement of Intent. These can come in any stage AFTER the attraction phase. Once she is attracted you can let her know that you are interested. They can be something simple like "Damn, you picked up your keys all sexy like." or more complex like a certain look that can only mean one thing.

And just so you know... even if a woman opens you... You lead! Only a few special women like to be the leaders ... and that is why there is a high premium for female Domme's.
Yes. Bridge from topic to topic but make sure it doesn't look like you are trying to monopolize the conversation. Lead it but let her speak. Like tell a DHV about a trip you took to Africa and then say something like "Did you ever go somewhere that you will remember until your dying day?"

Being the Alpha means that you can LET others speak but can take the conversation back whenever you want.
People knowing you and Showing that they know you is called "social Proof". It shows that umm.. your liked socially. And women like knowing that you are liked.

Bob: "Hey man"
You: "Sup bro." hug/handshake/whatever and then turn back to your target. OR you can just nod/wave/smile.

Just make sure you acknowledge them coming over/calling out to you. That is IMPORTANT. Show people that you like knowing them and they will happily act as social proof.

Acknowledge your friends/passer'sbye but more importantly you can use this to isolate your target even more. (Not just from her group/friends but from everyone. YAY Dark Alley!) Like so:

Bob: "Hey man"
PUA: "Sup bro.. blah blah"
BoB: "Blah blah"
PUA: "Cool cya man"
You continue with your convo .. then...
Bill: "Hey Pua"
PUA: "Sup Bill, blah"
Bill: "Blah"
PUA : "Cool, talk to you then"
you continue convo..
Jim: "Sup PUA"
PUA: nod acknowledge ment and turn back to your girl and say.. "Look, we are never gonna ge to finish our conversation here at this rate. Why don't we meet up ..... ***************"

See what I am saying. Use YOUR popularity as an excuse that you two should go somewhere else or meet up later. Use it to your advantage.
While talking, you can face your target. It is called polite. If you move around her and she follows with her Body and not just her head it is a nice IoI and you should STOP Rotating. Also, if she is headed somewhere and you can turn her 90 degrees while talking then you have successfully stopped her. (That is what I hear anyway.) Remember, if you shift, don't figit. If you move.. that is fine but stay relaxed. And above all else. Lean back. (Sounds stupid but very important.)



I think if a woman looks you up and down it means she has decided to "Check you out". Afterward she decides if she is interested. If you make eye contact ... Does she look away? WHich way? UP means No. Down Means Selfconcious (Yes) and left or right means she is looking for more people.

If she holds eyecontact with no smile.. that means it is okay to approach. If she holds eye contact with a smile... well duh. Go for it.

And remember, unless she turns away and acts like a total Bitch.. that is just her initial assessment. Talk to her anyway, just make sure if you made eyecontact ... you move to her quickly.
Well, best of luck and I hope I could help.

EvoJ

First of all. Dont apologize for yourself. I know it seems to go against your morals to be rude/asshole etc but sometimes thats what it takes. Apologizing for yourself portrays that you are insecure about your effect on other people. And insecure people are not particualrly attractive.

Ok here goes my reply. I have alot of time so.. prepare for in depth replys that may ramble on to some completely off topic but related to social interaction.

IOI's

My theory on IOI's is everything is an IOI. I think the aim of seduction is not to gain as many IOI's. Realise this, girls can have almost any guy, if a girl wants they can get laid that night, so its up to you to pass her standards (while making it look like shes passing yours, because by doing that you are passing hers, understand?). This is because when you have such a large pool to chose from as a girl, you might aswell pick the best one! So women create their shit tests. Ok but besides that you do need the IOI's to know when to move onto which stage!

Heres one way it can be done. Spend a few sets doing everything wrong one night, and notice the body language and TONE of the girls that arent into you. Now go out again and sarge properly, you should start seeing dramatic differences from the girls that dont like you. K one IOI is that she is still talking to you, so your still appear to be worth her time. There are loads. Subtle things that girls don't do around each other but do around pua's or naturals etc.
-tossing their hair.
-mimicing little things your doing.
-watch her body language, if your in rapport with her, her breathing rate and body language should closely match yours.
-smiles, look at her eyes, you can tell the difference between her fake smiles and when shes really into you.
- Stare at her and dont say anything, she may reply with a 'what?' [smiles] this is a IOI Otherwise if your not doing good with her then she might be freaked out a little. Just ignore the awakwardness from it and carry on with a story that triggers emotion (girls get easily swept away with emotion and will quickly forget)
-kino tests. Touch her, see how she reacts, is it awakward? Is she comfortable with it? (its important to be aware of your body language when you do this, if your nervous about it you will almost certainly show that some how, i always say the best way to control what your communicating is to think it, not think somthing else and say somthing else instead.)
- has she slowed down on the shit tests?
Ok if you want a proper DHV and social proof, you have to be the guy they are all listening too. TALK TALK TALK TALK TALK. You must be able to have 90% control of the convosation its dead important. Just talk talk talk and change subject asap when they look like their becoming less intrested. Easy ways to bridge these things is to raise the energy of your voice when you move on. eg.

"so the dog was biting my leg - OMG I JUST REMEMBERED!....."

So control is what you want when it comes to talking. Just look for excuses to talk about any subject. The more conversations you leave unfinished makes you seem like better and better friends with the whole set. 'Omg we have so much to talk about still! My friend and i are going to the park tomorow, whats your number we should meet up!'



Ok this is AN AMAZING DHV. Talk to them! But not too long!! You dont wana completely ignore her, especially if your into a2-a3 already. for example:

PUA: haha so yea we were at this bar...
Random: PUA! HEY MAN!
PUA: OH HEY RANDOM! Wad up bro, etc etc etc
Random: Oh yeah that thing. etc etc etc
PUA: [Turn to your target] O btw this is Cindy, so anyway what happened to jeff last night after he passed out on the roof?!
Continue for a min or two dont go for too long! U need to judge when she starts getting uncomfortable.
PUA: Ah nice. Anyway Cindy and I were having an important convo, call me later weill hang out.
Random: Np dude. Nice to meet you cindy. later.

Change the subject from what you were talking about before to somthing new. Put more energy in the way you speak, maybe with more hand gestures or more expressive face.

Just dont take it for too long.


Ok Negging/push pull. Negging should only really be in the begining of the set, once your into story telling you will find your Value is high enough already, if she trys to lower yours by either trying to change subject etc, you should neg. Just shoot one off inbetween sentences.

"Shush! Your such a bratt!" [Playful smile]
"So where was I? Oh yea the hippo and the hobo!"

BODY LANGUAGE:
The part of pick up that intrests me the most. I really just cant believe how much info you can pick up from someone just from their body language.

K yes walking around the girl is cool, but be careful dont do it more than once, also dont do it late into the set.

Take-aways;
I love these, while shes talking pretend you have ADD (no offense to anyone who has!) and just stare off somewhere else (if your brave enough another woman!) and be like "Oh what? Oh yeah urm yeah i totally agree.. Hey did i tell you about that fight i had on the beach?!" go straight into your next convo.

Selective body language.
Turning away from the target is an awsome move. Have a responsive 'rapport seeking' body language (basically leaning in etc) to maybe one or two of the other ppl in your set but turn just sideways to your target. Do this untill she starts sending you rapport seeking signals in her body language or through a change in tonaility trying to get your attention.

As for the girls checking you out, Strong eye contact, and smile. Depends on the girl, but i find the best way to convay what you want in a smile is to think of somthing while you smile.

If ive got alot of social proof and i can tell shes checking me out and looks guilty when i catch her, i make really strong eye contact and do a smirk-like smile while i say in my head 'you want me'. Somehow don't ask how, she knows exactly.
Others if you want to portray a happy fun loving attitude i smile big beam and think in my head 'HI! You look like fun!!"
There are tonnes of things you can do. experiment.


Ok thats seems like enough.

And sorry dude i dont have AIM but you can PM me any questions i can link you amazing threads or give you names of ppl on this forum who can help you with alot.

Your friend, Chikito

DAMMIT EvoJ beat me to it!

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Damn thanks so much for the responses so far! I'm really learning a lot