Hi, this is my first post here. Hoping to learn somethings useful. Though, having read some of the stuff on here, I'm sure I will get some excellent responses.

Here's my dilemma. I've been gaming this HB9 with pretty good feedback from her. She is actually a hired gun. Waitress at a bar I frequent. She was actually a patron there when I first saw here. I honestly think she got her job there to get my attention as she's seen me try to game a waitress that no longer works there, who boyfriend was the bartender at the same bar... long story that ends with me not getting the girl and both the boyfriend/bartender and HB/waitress both quitting their jobs at the bar due to differences with the new boss.

On to my dilemma. This girl that I'm posting this question about had been sending IOI's my way since my first encounter with her. As she was working there I managed to # close and get her on a date of sorts. Movie date, with her picking Paranormal Activities.

Now, she is very good at sending mixed signals. Kino then pull away, then kino pull away type thing. Sometimes I wonder if she was the one gaming me. Which was probably the case. I wasn't able to get anywhere with her during the movie, though she did grab on to my arm during some scenes. I should have pulled the trigger there, or at least some over kino. Alas, I did not pull the trigger.

After having lost out on the previous girl and also finding out that another girl that I # closed just got with another guy before I was able to make a move, I was getting impatient. I had to get this girl on another date. I asked her to go with me to see a "real" horror movie(saw 6) the following friday, but she told me she had a date with a "friend".

Being impatient as I was I called her the next day telling her that I must get her to go with me on thursday, the day before her date. She explained that she had dance class till 9pm and would not have enough time to get ready. so, I told her she can meet me right after class, no need to get ready (sounding very desprate and needy, I know. I wasn't about to lose out by allowing another guy to make a move before I did as i did with the the other girl). This was on monday after I had seen her at the bar after having texted her to call me right after she got off work. 2:30am tuesday actually.

Then, on tuesday evening I called her again to chat with the intention to set another date to meet up(so I can make my move) with a caller-id blocked number as my cell did not have reception. She answered and seemed very suspicious of why I called her with a blocked number. She was getting ready to go out (high maint. girl), perhaps on a date and said she would call me back saying that she was busy and would talk to me later after she's done. I asked when I should call back, as my cell phone had no reception, she just said she would call me back then "bye bye- click." She never called back. I think I fucked up my chances wither, coming off desperate and needy. I"m actually pretty sure of it.

Today, Wednesday, she is working at the bar. Now, I'm thinking about going down there today, not to talk to her, but to execute a freeze out of sorts, by not flirting with her(as we usually do) when I go, and possibly hit on some other chicks if there are any to envoke some jealousy as punishment for not calling back.

Is this as a horrible idea as I think it may be. Or maybe a good idea? Any suggestions on what do do, besides "go fuck 10 other chicks then come back to her."?

I'm not really a PUA, per se. Just a guy that is trying to better my chances of getting the girl(s) that I want. I know this is bordering Oneitis, and probably is. I really want this girl, specially after losing out on 2 excellent girls that I had my eye on.

please help... If nobody give any input, I'm just going to go and go though plan A, which is what I described above. Go to bar and freeze her out, kinda-sorta. Though I'll probably just melt if she responds positively. Oneitis? mehhh... maybe maybe not, but I'll learn something new for sure.

Dude, you need to CHILL THE FUCK OUT.

Seriously.

You're not telegraphing interest, you're pounding a giant bass drum of interest with a fucking two-by-four. Relax.

Not once in your post did you say anything about how awesome the girl is or how good you guys are together, which leads me to believe you are seeking a relationship of some sort with this girl out of a quest for pure ego-based validation--probably the worst motivation for trying to pick up a girl there is.

My advice, take several steps back, talk to some other women and quit putting all your eggs into one basket. You might be able to knock on this door later, but right now you need to examine yourself and pursue women for the right reasons.

Your boy,
870

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Thanks 870,

I didn't go into detail about the girl so to not make this a mile long posting. The girl is 21, majoring in accounting. At first, she seems a bit stuck up, though, she simply somewhat introverted. I told her that she should smile more often, and that it made her look much prettier. Now she does a lot more smiling. She's opened up quite a bit since starting work at the bar. Seem somewhat narcissistic as she is, after all, a HB9. Although, I think it's just a disguise for insecurities. She has her head on straight, and holds a 3.3 GPA, which show me that she's not just your average hot chick. She actually has her priorities straight. I see many qualities in her that I personally am lacking. Still getting to know her, but I think she would make an excellent yin to my yang, if you catch my drift.

Now the status report. I went over there to execute my freeze-out, but not being overly cruel or totally ignoring her. She tried to flirt with me, but I did not respond in the same way as I have had in the past. She did initiate kino with me later on that night, but I did not respond by kinoing her back. I also caught her looking over at me several times across the bar. We were sitting at different ends of the bar, and not right next to each other, as usual. The bar was quite busy for a Wednesday. Half the dudes were hitting on her, as usual. I did feel some jealousy coming on. I hope she did not sense that in me. I was getting plenty of IOI's from the chicks there, including from some of the regulars, though I only held EC with them, since all the chicks came with other dudes or their boyfriends. I was just chilling in my usual "enjoying myself but somewhat aloof" way, chatting away with the other dudes and the bartender.

All in all, I think I achieved what I set out to do. Though, there was one other guy( a young security guard that once worked there), the guy that I believe is going to be her date on Friday, that was also doing a freeze-out on her (he's been doing that for a while now) that she seemed to be have responded to by standing closer to him. That guy is my main competition, even though it may not be obviously apparent. I can totally sense an attraction. Seems the guy is doing a much better freeze-out than I am.

There also seems to be some sort of rumor floating around the bar about me, as I usually fly solo and nobody really knows much about me there even though I've been frequenting that bar for the past 6 months. Not sure if said rumor is hurting me or helping me. Obviously people are talking something bad about me, but I don't let it faze me. Hopefully it helps my cause.

As I've said in the welcome page, I don't consider myself a PUA or anything like that. I just want to be able to get with the chicks I'm attracted to. I don't pay much mind to the girls that hit on me or send me IOI's, unless I'm also interested in them. It seems that I can use these other chicks as pawns of sorts (as a real PUA would do), but I can't get myself to do these thing. I'll still be cool with those chicks, but not in a way that I'm "cool" with the ones that I feel an attraction towards.

I honestly want to ask this girl out again (real soon, actually), but I'll probably do what I did last night a few more times before calling her again. I actually have in my mind to text her "You are mine next friday, will not take no for an answer" or something like that. That's probably not a good idea, is it? I already have in my mind what places I want to take her to, including the movie saw 6 with me executing what I failed to do the first time. Which is kiss close, at least, and make her my biatch!

Thanks for the great advice, 870. I should start gaming other chicks, but I simply don't have that kind of attraction to many others. And the ones that I am attracted to, besides this HB9, are off limits to me. Oneitis, I know. Not sure how to go about this. Do I just start hitting up chicks that I'm not attracted to? Any further input is much appreciated.


solid486

One question: What is the purpose of pick-up?

TO GET THE GIRL TO INVEST IN YOU.

Learn from your mistakes, analyse your flaws and strive to rectify them...

Its important that you learn to (1) TO NOT PUT UP WITH BS ( bullshit ) and to - '' Keep the Pimp Hand Strong! ''- Powerful men dont tolerate unacceptable behavoiur. Powerful men are sexy.
(2) Stay emotionally unaffected by outside reality - I also call this '' un-reactive '' ( VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION ) : When a women see's that you are emotionally unaffected by outside factors, especially her, she get's all flipped out internally. This is because most men get emotional around her. She can look at most guys that approach her and she knows based on their subtle ( leaning in ) or not so subtle (''You are HOT'') communications that she has already emotionally affected them. This makes the men seem needy as she hasnt demonstrated any of her personality and they are already all over her. She dismisses them as shallow loosers. But if you walk up to her and are emotionally unaffected she starts to notice it herself - '' Hey! Why havent I affected this guy! It must be because I havent shown off my attractive qualities to him! '' and then she starts to work to get the emotionally unaffected man. She also thinks to herself '' This guy is so chill around me and i'm so HOT that he must get girls like me all the time. He must be some sort of hot shot mega star! '' Women sleep with men they think about in this way. Being emotionally unaffected by outside reality speaks to great internal strength which women find extremely attactive.

I need to ask you afue questions before I go on. Do you feel personally you have built attraction with the girl you mention in this post?

> If you have ( which might not be the case ), creating jealousy plotline's is a great idea! Once she see's you with other women, especially women who are interested/attracted to you, she'll flip and begin to fight for your attention...she'll start to invest a ton more than she was previously, therefor making it more viable for you to sexually escalate and move the cycle forward.

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yes, I have all the signs that she was attracted to me first. Only thing is what I did with it was all wrong. I telegraphed too much interest. I was afraid that some other guy will get at her before I did, and it obviously shows. Though, I will try a jealousy plot. There is this other waitress that digs me (HB5, if you can even call that a HB), but I have no interest in her. Only thing is that I also know her husband, so I cannot do too hardcore of a game on her. Though I will tray to find otehr targets to game in front of her.

I think you pointed out what I already know that are mistakes I'm making. Same as my title suggest. Also, this chick seems to understand "game" instinctively, as shes done everything that I didn't to gain massive attraction from me toward her. I think this is going to come down to a battle of will powers... in which I think she might have the upper hand at this moment.

Thanks for the excellent input TCG! Much appreciated.

I may go down there again Saturday, or monday and try again, and will do a status report after.

Status report:

Went down there today not expecting to see her, but she was filling in for another waitress.

It appears that she is playing the field. Though not just me and the young security guy, but one other guy that I know of. The guys is a rich guy. It seems that she canceled her date with the security guy to fill in today. I arrived later than rich guy, and he took my usual seat right next to her. Saw some overt kino between her and rich guy. Hand holding. Though, the rich guy is a bit more needy, going after her. while this was going on, she would still come close to me for some incidental kino. Security guy shows up at closing time, looking somewhat "bothered." I too was bothered. After realizing that she was playing 3 of us at the same time.

After witnessing the hand holding, I straight up asked her if she was the rich guy's girl. Of course she denies it, telling me not to get into an argument with rich guy. I just shrugged, as in "whatever, do what you want," and commenced a freeze-out with body language. She then goes to the rich guy, I assume telling him the same thing, to not get into a fight with me. A regular there, also a HB9, also just turning 21, started with some incidental kino with me, rubbing her ass against my hand and crotch area, as it was crowded at the bar tonight. She, waitress HB9, reacted by giving the other HB9 the evil eye.

These chick's really know all about "game" instinctively, I'm truly amazed. It's like they're born with it.

I looked kinda pissed at the bar, but I was simply very intoxicated. Though I must admit, I was somewhat bothered. I did try to hide it somewhat by smiling and shaking my head.

What I have in mind to do after today is to her out freeze out for a week then call her out for another meeting. If she doesn't come out, then I'm done with this chick. I'm not going to get into any fights because of her. Though I do hope she comes around. And when she comes out with me I'm going to close her, and close her hard, if you catch my drift. I will be much more aggressive and sexual with her.

Please critique.

solid486

Dont worry to much. you need to stay close to her. but at the same time renew your game 100%.. shes playing a game as well.. all girls do.. the reason we all trying to become pickup artist is because we have better game, so show that. play hard to get and start negging her a lil again.. dont msg or call her. only see her in person randomly bump into her you know.. oh yeh lets go get lunch. but then start that neg again... and slowly ease back into it.. then close her hard.. (remember your already passed the opener.. sometimes thats the hardest part with a HB9 so now all you have to do is refresh your midgame man

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