so i number closed today and i opened with the "my little sister wants a dog or cat blah blah" i'm at a 10,000 person university and i number closed this swiss, blonde hair blue eyed HB9. anyway i lied about the little sister and i have a picture of my older sister and my older brother with me on my wall, along with a cat that i have i told her i did not. i am in a single dorm. if i tell her "i'm not gonna lie to you, i just wanted to talk to you" and i tell i made up that story, is my game lost? i have no intention of starting a relationship with this girl, however, she is in some of the same clubs as me. idk what to do.

in addition, i threw a bunch of negs, DHV's, and what not. i did not pay attention to the IOI's however if i woul have i def would catch 3. some of the insults i told her DID insult her a little, and she did not see it as playful. like she mentioned a guy she saw outside of the window (we were sitting at a table during lunch and i approached her, she was alone) and she said he was wearing the same jeans as her blah blah, and then said she had hte same jeans. i threw in "well you do have man hands" jokingly, not sure what i meant, and she made a confused face, and continued her converstaion.

she told me a story about how anytime someone counts down for her to "jump" from a plane or whatever, she HAS to do it too. at the end of out chat, SHE left first, which was bad, i should have left first, but when it was time to go, i immediately said "yeah you are wasting my time, i gotta get work done" with a smile on my face, and once again she just accepted it with a weird facial expression and stated back "what? you're wasting my time!" moved on. I then said "give me your number "3...2...1" and she was confused (she is a blonde), and then i corrected myself and said "i thought you had to do shit when people counted down", smiling again she gave me her number and smiled and i asked for her name and wasnt going to give her mine unless she asked. she did. my hat said "Vinny" on it and we discussed it earlier in our convo. i said my name was Rye, but you can call me Vinny if you would like. and then it ended.

this was a victory to me AND my first HB9 number close. i am very proud of myself. i just need to perfect my game. is it bad when you make fun, and she doesn't find it really funny? how long should these convo's last before you leave? i felt as though we ran out of things to talk about, and stalled, blaming on her that i lost my trade of thought for a minute (awkward silence for a few seconds). how long should i wait before i call? how can i make a success from this?

MY FIRST REAL FUCKING HB9 NUMBER CLOSE! now what?

i am the natural at this. i fucked in 8th grade. but i have been inconsistant all my life. i have everything a natural has, i just did not know how to use my words correctly. its like being a natural athlete without the strength. i have started to gain strength. i have started to realize how to use my words correctly. i just realized this today. am i really a natural? or was it luck? i'll keep you guys posted. any thoughts on my situation or stance as of now, i'm open to anything you have to say. -Rye

it's all about the delivery dude. the counting down thing probably means she's OCD or something which would be quite hilarious if she was serious about what she said. Keep the counting thing up when you talk again but don't overuse it

First off Don't Make up family members if you don't have a little sister why lie.
Could come back on you. And don't go saying you made it up just to talk to her. if she meantions the little sister again you say it was really your big sister(who actually does exist) but you always call her your little sister.
Next everything u say is not funny don't worry about it keep talking.
Now with Convo don't let silence be awkward like your fishing for something to say you don't want to say something completely stupid calm down. Silence in converstations is OK she may if reinitate it herself. IF it happens which it Shouldn't you should always plan on doing 90% of the talking with every interaction do a cold reading on something she has on. It'll buy you some time. But if you feel like you have absolutely nothing else to say #Close while you're still on a high note don't leave immediately after you get the number try to talk another 3mins tell her you busy man I'll try to fit into my busy schedule do you cook blah, blah, blah. Why its important to talk..... because leaving too soon doesn't make it comforting for her only chumps get the number and flee like its and celebrate big deal. numbers are nothing if you're not going to see them again.
As for calling you don't know this girl's schedule so don't call like an idiot mid day saying "meet me in 10mins I'm going for coffee or whatever meet me there(Some PUA gurus like David Deangelo suggest this this tactic DO NOT do it)" cuz if she rejects which she mostly likely will you'll feel like a idiot wondering when to call again and if she has the same rejection next time which is likely you'll look needy(DLV).
So call her tomorrow let the phone ring 1 and half times then hang up.
if she call back immediately "Ask her if she cooks tell you need some later advice on cooking sphagetti. then ask her if she's free after 7pm then say I'll call you later bye *hang up*.
if she says NO to not being able to cook neg her and after you've got the time she's free "tell her she better had learned to COOK next time you call bye *hang up.* when you do get her on the phone later then find out her schedule then arrange a meeting

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Well I kind of fucked up already with the family member thing. i referred to it a lot in the convo because we were discussing men and female minds, and I was telling her how my little sister spent equal time with pups and kittens, I was rambling and good at improv but it is def going to fuck me over at this point. I don’t think I can get out without losing her, so I think I have to stay with it. As for the cook line, I am in college and I was thinking on negging her about an argument with my older sister (which I have) and make something up like my older sister wants me to start calling her but she is never home because she is 29 years old (which she is). Anyway I will do the ring and a half then hang up, if she calls back I will do the sister thing. in addition, I number closed at the end of the convo. Was my comment “you are wasting my time” money? Because she brought up leaving first, so I thought why not make her think I am wasting my time with her? I am confused with the last line of your suggustion, to “telling her she better had learned to call me back?” im still at a little bit of a loss. I can’t back out of the little sister story, it was my approach and it worked and it was a bad idea I won’t do it again and I know it WILL fuck me over sometime for sure. I do not know when her classes are, and I do not know how to successfully deliver AFTER the meeting. I think I will be fine during the meeting though, since I have this girl (somewhat) I can now just be myself and talk about random shit while still negging her and using DHVs. She is freaking cute by the way. Always wanted a blonde blue eyed chick, but was never able to get one.

Yes and nothing ticks a girl off more than some random guy calling to get her to go some place out the blue when she's trying to get a mid-day quicky from her real boyfriend LOL

Rye why are you lying about having a little sister. That lie is too close to home. What do you plan to do kill your little sister off in the next conversation?? Suppose you do hit it off and she happens to talk to your parents someday and brings up ur little sister That can Only go bad!!. Talk about single handedly doing yourself in. I can't stress what a Whooper of a lie that is you told. I don't know maybe you can get away with saying its a distant niece depending on what you said(I hope you have one).
At the moment i don't have any good advice I hope you don't grow to attacted to this one

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Listen, just because you've been having sex since the 8th grade does not make you a "natural". As humans we're all made to have sex, so that's like say "Dude, I've been breathing on my own since age SIX, I'm REALLY human".

I think you need to really put more effort into truly understanding what women want and need. When you understand that, then you're going to be able to have much more of an effect. Instead of focusing on particular one-liners and "canned material" try something more unique and more "you". If you don't know what that would be, I'd suggest digging a little deeper to figure it out.

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this conversation is kind of digressing, and i am sorry it may have been my fault. i know what you are saying. all i am saying is that i think of myself as the guy on the bench who never got playing time because he didn't know how to hit. metaphorically speaking, the only problem i have is knowing what to say when. i'm NEW at this, just signed up a few days ago but its already working out for me with the little information i have attained. however, this only goes so far. i just need guidance i did not falt out say i was a natural, and if so that was not my implication. i was trying to say i have natural abilities that i do not know how to TAKE ADVANTAGE of and that is what i am trying to figure out. do you have any suggustions about my number close? it would be much appreciated -Rye

yeah easylover you have put it in perspective for me. not only am i not going to call her, i am going to delete her number. i fucked it up before i even started. it was a good run though and now i know i can get blondes with blue eyes, i'll find a new one. thanks fo the advice. -Rye

I repeat this bit a lot,but,again,it proves,and holds true,and it's been time tested to work in all situations,dating back to when Th'Ugol first clubbed his wife on the head,then married her,all the way up to today:

-Experiment.

That's how every process works.Believe me bro.Through going out and seeing what works,and FEELING what works,you gain greater knowledge of how women act,and what they need.

Listen to EasyLover and Ashley.They know what they're talking about.

...then,take what they said,and what I just told you,and do 1000x approaches.

Believe me,if you do it,you will see some serious shit.

Th'Ugol did it.So can you!

you are a man of good words, very admirable. check out a post i accidently put in the newbs section. i just number closed again tonight and it worked out well. i would appreciate your advice, or anyone who is reading this for that matter. much appreciation. -Rye

women want adventure. they want fantasy, and they want to be taken away like in the movies and books and romance novels. soon, i'm going to be the one to give it to them.

tell you the truth, how could you have ran out of things to talk about, I am assuming your in college right??! I am pretty sure you have various things to talk about, she's not a lil high schooler, since she's a lil more mature. Have fun with her, make her laugh and do all sorts of things.