It's been a while since I posted something but I want to get serious again. I had a situation twice where I feel the guy who was winging the friend of my target screwed up the position I put us in to get laid.

The first situation was yesterday when at the bar/restaurant I work at, two asian 9's said they wanted to go out to a club and asked me for directions. Fortunately, I was just getting off work and I told them they could wait for me and I would take them. The manager who is always trying to pick up girls out of the restaurant with me told me to ask them if it was ok if he came. Total AFC thing to ask but I did so.

Next, they asked me if I were going to buy their drink when they came in my bar and I didn't but he forced me to buy them drinks at the next bar. (He's Serbian so he doesn't believe girls should pay for their drinks (he says its his culture, I say its afc bullsh##.) Anyways, I end up making out with mine and his gets drunk. I get us in a cab to where they live (mistake) and when we get there after paying for the cab she says that I can't come in. Now I find that my manager just brings my game down because he dlv's us with his afc moves. He also doesn't know how to isolate and make it to where they aren't worried about what they think of each other.

Today I had a girl ready and willing to come with me to my apt but then her friend and some guy I knew from a poker game showed up. He tried to game her friend but instead of isolating and making it to where her friend wouldn't ruin things for me he allowed us to go to their dorm where we aren't even allowed in. He was doing some really AFC things like begging for sex and therefore made her friend try to engage us. She was trying to take my target's attention away. We get near the dorm and then my target says that I can call her tomorrow. I say as she is walking towards the elevator, "Are you forgetting something?" She says, "Are you?" I say, "I don't have your number." She says, "So ask for it." I say, "What is it?" You get the picture. As she is telling me her friend closes the door to the elevator and they are never to be seen again. I had my share of mistakes but where can I look for a good wingman who follows the rules and can feed off of me and vice versa?

either you get a wingman who knows how to behave! you go out by yourself! or you you tell those losers to fuck off!!!

hey, i think i understand what you mean, i myself am having similar problems, where my wingmen really take a backseat and ride my openers, then at the least convenient times, spring forward and make-out with the targets i initially approached. Then afterewards refuse to help me out in return...

alos, are you having problems, like your wingmen not just doing what you ask them to for a few minutes while you do your thing???

im starting to doubt confidence in wingmen at all.... i next want to try having a wingman who knows the rules of the game etc, and not just some normal friend...

what do you think??

If I am out with a wing, how experienced or not he may be, the rules are pretty simple:
- Whoever sees a girl first can have her. Until he didn't say that he doesn't want her she is his and won't be hit/ seduced w/e y any other person of the group.
- If somebody is leaving he let's the other ones know.
- The girls always come in 2nd place - if someone needs help thats what counts.
If somebody doesn't follow the rules he is out.

Btw, you have a mouth use it - if you want a girl jsut tell your wing: can I have her? if he says yes she is yours if he says no respect it - and if you don't expect your wings to do the same you'd be better off without them