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Healthy debate is good. We disagree and that is ok. My comments belwo.
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Sorry man I dont want to make you look bad or provoke you or anything but this is BS. Age is not important. Everyone loves sex. People are different and the individual variations are far more important than the agegroups or social groups they belong to. Not all 27-34 year olds wants to have kids, come on what world do you live in?
Hmm... I totally disagree with this one point. ALL 27 to 34 years old chicks go insane with baby fever at that age. If you start dating them, that is ALL they will talk about. Sure some chicks are different. But the vast majority are the same.
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Girls under 21 can be easily impressed and ready for action. Girls over 35 may also think that you are too immature. There are a lot of guys out there that likes MILFs so dont go thinking that you will be their only hope of human company because they have as many suitors as they want. They may even say no.
Sure. This is all technically true. But anyone with a business degree will tell you that you pick a target market where it takes the least amount of effort to close a sale. I just do not believe that you can F-Close the vast majority of under 21s at the same rate as the over 35 crowd. In general it takes more effort.
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People constantly talk about some girls being easy and some not. Its the whole slut not slut discussion all over again. What is a slut? A girl sleeping with other people than you, and that pisses you off because you were horny. Some girls are more sexually active and it takes less time to get them where you want them. But still, girls choose the ones they like and if it isnt you, make sure that it will be next time! Choice and preference... The end.
Funny. A slut fucks lots of dudes. What planet are you on? Slut to me is a chick that I can fuck in a matter of hours after meeting here. There are a lot of chicks who will not fuck you after meeting them the first time. Those chicks are NOT sluts. Simple.


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This lr is very pointless.

She was horny (haven't been getting laid for a while, or is on her horny cycle)... you was available, you were lucky, we can't learn anything from this.

Social proof, comfort talking or what ever won't arouse a girl, arousement is 70% of the intent which will give you laid outside of a relationship if we look away from prostitution.

This is a pretty normal phenomen of fresh puas. Writing lr's without really knowing why they got laid and instead create some random theories of why they got laid. It's called mental masturation ;)

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I tried to post a link to an article about your issue.
But I couldn't make it, I will ask chief he knows i guess

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You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about man...


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Please elaborate if I was unclear. I can add up.
And I tell you I know exactly what I am talking about.

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Ok I know what I am talking about as well so we obviously have different opinions. Not gonna go into an AMOG battle with you man...


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And I am not a freaking new PUA! I know exactly what I am talking about!


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This lr is very pointless.

She was horny (haven't been getting laid for a while, or is on her horny cycle)... you was available, you were lucky, we can't learn anything from this.

Social proof, comfort talking or what ever won't arouse a girl, arousement is 70% of the intent which will give you laid outside of a relationship if we look away from prostitution.

This is a pretty normal phenomen of fresh puas. Writing lr's without really knowing why they got laid and instead create some random theories of why they got laid. It's called mental masturation ;)
WTF! lmao, dude it's actually the other way around, read some PUA diaries, in each one you will see that they almost never break it down, you know why? Because it's already so natural and automatic that the lay just happens. You can clearly see that Ezo skillset is already on an automatic level.....
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This is a pretty normal phenomen of fresh puas. Writing lr's without really knowing why they got laid and instead create some random theories of why they got laid. It's called mental masturation ;)
dude you got 7 posts, get some reputation before you bash someone who has more experience than you ....

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honestly I just read the OPost, and I can easily say there wasn't any real "game" displayed, apart from confidence and social proof (obviously I wasn't there but im assuming...). Think about it this way, had you done what you did with that girl to 10 other girls...what would be the chances that any of them would have sex with you in 3 minutes? That was more of a 1 in a thousand or something lol.
You were just at the right place at the right time, you picked up some horny chick who would've probably fucked any guy who was (confident aswell) available and willing. I'm not saying you don't got game, so don't think I'm jealous or hating on you.


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honestly I just read the OPost, and I can easily say there wasn't any real "game" displayed, apart from confidence and social proof (obviously I wasn't there but im assuming...). Think about it this way, had you done what you did with that girl to 10 other girls...what would be the chances that any of them would have sex with you in 3 minutes? That was more of a 1 in a thousand or something lol.
You were just at the right place at the right time, you picked up some horny chick who would've probably fucked any guy who was (confident aswell) available and willing. I'm not saying you don't got game, so don't think I'm jealous or hating on you.
No it is actually 1 in 10, it's called BLOW ME OR BLOW ME OUT, that's the principle by which Brad P. and Sinn go :D. If you sarge 10 girls at least one of them will meet what you want, either it's a fast close, a number, a relationship, etc...

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honestly I just read the OPost, and I can easily say there wasn't any real "game" displayed, apart from confidence and social proof (obviously I wasn't there but im assuming...). Think about it this way, had you done what you did with that girl to 10 other girls...what would be the chances that any of them would have sex with you in 3 minutes? That was more of a 1 in a thousand or something lol.
You were just at the right place at the right time, you picked up some horny chick who would've probably fucked any guy who was (confident aswell) available and willing. I'm not saying you don't got game, so don't think I'm jealous or hating on you.
No it is actually 1 in 10, it's called BLOW ME OR BLOW ME OUT, that's the principle by which Brad P. and Sinn go :D. If you sarge 10 girls at least one of them will meet what you want, either it's a fast close, a number, a relationship, etc...

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hmm well I wasn't really too sure on the statistics I was just estimating. but thats interesting lol, might go try this out and see if it's true.
But wouldn't that really depend where your picking up?? and what your expectations are?


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I can easily say there wasn't any real "game" displayed, apart from confidence and social proof
Man that is the entire point of this FR!

And the reason for writing it is that I want you people to realize that "real" game isnt real at all! It is a big illusion! Routines, negs, witty comebacks, canned material, coldreading techniques... All the things you are struggling with are just ways of doing what I do without having inner game. I have been there too! I have been at the point where I have made pickups where every single word I said was part of the routine. I have passed that stage.

Whenever I go sarging now I freestyle. I do not NEED negs, I dont NEED routines. I can flip the attraction switches anyway. I barely need a common language, BODY language is enough.

So REAL game is done in just this way! No routines, no canned material. When you understand what it is all about you dont need it. When you can attract girls without mechanically reciting canned material... THAT is REAL game!

And... I didnt just get lucky, I could have recited every routine you can name for this girl, I just chose not to because I didnt need to.

Inner game is the way to go!


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I can easily say there wasn't any real "game" displayed, apart from confidence and social proof
Man that is the entire point of this FR!

And the reason for writing it is that I want you people to realize that "real" game isnt real at all! It is a big illusion! Routines, negs, witty comebacks, canned material, coldreading techniques... All the things you are struggling with are just ways of doing what I do without having inner game. I have been there too! I have been at the point where I have made pickups where every single word I said was part of the routine. I have passed that stage.

Whenever I go sarging now I freestyle. I do not NEED negs, I dont NEED routines. I can flip the attraction switches anyway. I barely need a common language, BODY language is enough.

So REAL game is done in just this way! No routines, no canned material. When you understand what it is all about you dont need it. When you can attract girls without mechanically reciting canned material... THAT is REAL game!

And... I didnt just get lucky, I could have recited every routine you can name for this girl, I just chose not to because I didnt need to.

Inner game is the way to go!
yeah I know what you mean, with me there comes a certain point in the interaction between myself and a girl when I just phase out of routines and all of that.
I think once people UNDERSTAND (and I mean REALLY understand) the actual point of "negs" and "DHV" and routines etc, they can understand a lot about attracting women. Instead of thinking of HOW to use a neg, or what neg to use, think WHY you are using the neg. Once you understand the actual concept, you can give off the DHV without saying canned material. You can get the same reaction from her as if you had used a neg, without even using a neg. Once I really starting examining why "negs" really worked, and how I could incorporate them into my interactions I feel I got alot better. Well thats how it worked for me. (Although I still like using the occasional routine, or neg, and openers during night game...not so much day-game as I'm still new at that.)
I just mean that with MOST girls a f-close wouldn't come so fast, or as you put it, easily.
I was getting lays even when I was a rAFC (no game whatsoever), from random girls, and I would usually f-close very quickly. What I realised was that by fucking those girls I would actually start lowering my self own esteem. Those girls would've done any guy who was willing, I was not special to them, and they weren't special to me. I got to the point where I hadn't been in a proper relationship, but I'd had sex with 3 different girls in the past 3 weeks (p.s I used to hang out with some REALLY slutty chicks).
That's one of the things that got me motivated to start learning different pick up techniques and "the game" in general. I kept thinking to myself I'm not worthy to be in a relationship or something, I'm just the guy who gets slutty chicks but nobody else.
Anyways my point is I now avoid the "easy" girls because I feel that even when I had no game they would fuck me, and they'd fuck me now too. I prefer girls who I could actually feel good about getting. Instead of getting some girl and then thinking "yeah but so has every other guy!".
So I'm not saying you don't have "game" whether inner or outter. It's just from my past experiences I don't find it particularly hard to "game" or "pick up" easy girls.

sorry for the long as essay haah I think I got carried away there :shock:


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EZO: I hardly apologie calling you a new guy. I checked more out your stuff, and I take it back. Still I want to make my point clear.

Let's have a good discussion.

BTW to the other posters: Just because I barely started posting here doesn't mean I am a noob. I am mostly posting on mASF (got 3000 posts there)

Anyway I can link now:
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/se ... 6dateto%3D

I believe my point will be more clear if I get more in dpeth with my point. So I copy past my article.
THe spelling might a bit bad somewhere since I wrote in on the plan home from thailand on a lame laptop:

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This is a post for the one who focuses on getting laid, from the factor that the women is aroused. This is only for the one who wants laid quick, and tons of it.

There is many ways to get laid. There is many factors which can get you laid. There is many situs which can get you laid.

In ways to get laid, there is after all many ways and many factors. Like you could use SS and fucking put her in state you want her in (not really my thing). You can a show some value, in your lifestyle, which creates a lust in the women to hang with you, and after hanging with you, her sex need blast up, and she will fuck you, because you become an availeble man for her.
You might be a rich old and girls get attracted to your money and will have sex with you for keeping you, this is also called a long term hooker. Or maybe you can be the old man, who can be a daddy, so that the lady can feel submitted?

Maybe you are just populare, got social proof, and the women looks good hanging with you, she will fuck you for keeping you, or her sex need will pop up and she will fuck you. Most guys go out to club, meet a lady, no cockblocks and gets laid.They are neither rich, populare, or have any value or good looks. What happened? She was horny, she needed sex, she was in state, you opened, she laid you.

Everygirls, if you hang a long time with them, and they don't perceive you as just a friend, will fuck you. The only expection is if they see you as a boyfriend potential, which means they are emotionally attracted to you, they might wont have sex with you before the relationship is up.

Every mounth, there is a cycle going, were women are more horny than usual. I mean very horny, so horny that she is looking at every guys, thinking, can i fuck that dude?

So even if you opened with the mystery method» way, indirect, and didn't arouse her at all, you still got laid.
What happened is that you in fact spotted a girl on this cycle, on the right time, and got laid.

And you come home, post a lr, writing that something got you laid when it didn't.

It doesn't matter what game you used, if she was just horny.

The period where she is the most horny, is while she is on her periods. Some says there high point is after, some says before her period. Doesnt matter, you will not ask her if she is on her period or not. All you will see, is that these women respond well to sex talk, to sexual kino, to everything sexual.

A women becomes an attention whore at the club, when she got fucked a few days ago or have a partner, like a fb or a bf, which removes her sex need. By nature, we all need sex, but we don't when we recently had sex. When we got our fysiological need solved, we go down on the hierachy of need. Exaclty, the need of social status. This makes her into an attention whore. She doesn't need sex at that moment. Because a superhorny chick won't mind only about attention. That's pretty logic.

But a girl can answer in a to sexual stuff, without being an attention whore. Just by ASD. So at this point try to remove ASD. The difference between ASD kick offs and and attention whores are pretty different. They are easy to recognize. If you don't know how to, ask me here please, and i will help you.

So mostly what you have to do, is removing her barriers like ASD, and bitchshield and arouse her, this is how you pick up chicks.

Sexual game, is the ONLY way to get quick lays because it arouse her, but if you find an already aroused girl, then every method can work. If the girl doesn't feel that horny, you might get a number with all these methods, but you won't arouse her. This is why DYD, MM, sucks if you just want quick SDL or ONS's.

The rule is simple. Quick lays comes only from arousal.

How can somoenes value arouse a women (i use mystery method» as an example)

Well, you can easely enter a convo with this method, and then maybe if you are lucky spot a horny women and get laid.

All this sex talk, is mostly used for infact doing chicks who ain't already aroused. And then get ons.
If the girl fucks him, because he is rich, or because of his value, or because he is populare, the girl likes your value, not you. She fucks you for keeping you around, not because she is aroused. This is the wrong frame.

But most guys here, ain't rich, ain't populare, so how do we get laid?

From female arousal. If you don't use sexual game, you won't arouse her. Then your only way to get laid is to find already aroused women.

Even if you do have a sexual game. Finding already aroused women won't hurt. It will just make everything easier.

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_ Women use sex as a way to keep you if you have some kind of value, so they can keep it. This makes method like MM, DYD to work, but still they give laid after a bigger period of time, but not quick lays, unless the girl was already aroused!
_ Women have a cycle of days in a mounth, where they are more horny than other. The day were they are the most horny, they could even fucked a sumo fighter!
_ Every method can get you laid, if you find a women on the period of big sex need.
_ A neutral chick, which means, neither horny, neither attention whore, can be aroused by sexual game, and laid.
_ Attention whores are girls with smaller sex needs at that moment, which means they recently got laid.

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Hopefully this will make my point more clear.

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Apology hardly accepted. ;)

Well, you are right about some things. A girl can have a lower bitchshield or lower resistance to sex or be more horny at times. Yes. This could make it easier yes.

But my point remains valid. Out of all the guys in the place she still chose me. It was not chosen randomly or that I was the closest guy.

I simply had what she wanted. I was the dominant male. I had attraction.

It doesnt matter how horny she was, maybe she actually went out that night just to get fucked. Im not saying anything about that, we all know that girls want to have sex! No question.

All Im saying is that I was her choice! I beat all the other guys to it. That is what Im saying. That is pickup. She is sooner or later gonna have sex with someone and you just have to show her that it is gonna be you.

I think we have been talking about different things here...


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