It's not funny in this situation. Grow the fuck up. Both of you.

Really? Let me know when you start, I'd really like to see how you do this.

I would stop acting like a cock first, that's only lowering your rep and working against you right now.

PUA is fundamentally flawed.

It’s a shortcut to dealing with inadequate social skills. PUA is a simple motivator, although it comes with long-term consequences.

I think if PUA didn't exist the world would be a better place.

I cannot prevent it from the people who have no values or morals, but I can raise a red flag, the size of Texas, in the face of those who wish to raise a family.

Read my posts. You will see a pattern emerge. My commitment has not faltered. I have argued my case with extreme disposition. I wanted to get the most intense responses, and I wanted emotions to fuel harsh criticisms. After I have collected all the feedback I have discovered that "I need therapy" and that I project a negative view onto women.

These things are not helped by sleeping with women. These are my issues. This is my story, and it is the story of every other guy who bangs his head against a wall when he tries to sleep with a woman and can’t get her. It's time we taught self acceptance, rather than pussy control.

There is no greater slap to my self esteem than using a line to sleep with a woman. After I learned to accept myself for being a genuine guy, I felt better about myself. I don't beat myself up, and I stopped trying to worship women just for there looks.

Many of you guys are here to sleep with women because you believe it will improve yourselves and make you a better person. The reason why PUA is flawed is because being good with women has nothing to do with your self-esteem.

People associated their negative feelings about themselves during the time of rejection with the person, or beautiful women, who brought about the feeling. If a man is rejected by a beautiful woman he assumes he’s not good enough for her. He places her beauty on a Pedi stool and places himself in the gutter where his parents wired his mind.

The beautiful woman has nothing to do with how he feels about himself. No matter how much he wants her, she is nothing but flesh and blood.

It is like a fire that heats a pot of water, that evaporates onto the kitchen that causes condensation on the ceiling of your home, then the water drips down and you notice your floor is wet. So you assume you have a leak. Then you spend hours in the attic trying to find the leak. Then you go to the roof and try to fix the leak. The whole time the problem has been inside your home and the stove is on burning water.

Everyone who searches for answers in women is looking in the wrong places. There is no need to conquer women. There is only a need to respect you for being yourself. Don’t compare yourself to others. Don’t be a victim of jealously and greed. Be content in your pursuit of “the one” and consistently and consciously be yourself. Do not assume the women who leave you and insult you are here to help you. They are not the women for you. A man has to be content with himself and his inability to sleep with women. A man has to recognize that women have the choice.

If a man can be so confident that he can be around a woman in his natural form, then he can be content with not sleeping with them. He can be content with having no forms of intercourse for months or years if required. He can be content with being rejected hundreds of times because he knows he is O.K. with himself, and he trust in his ability to succeed in life.

PUAs need to help people succeed in LIFE. Life has nothing to do with women. Life is about facing challenges and overcoming them. A woman is not a challenge. A woman is your wife. She is not a challenge. The mind set of this forum deprives everyone the truth behind their discomfort, and presents a false message of hope that will only lead to failure. I am very serious.

Soon after you give me your responses, I will form better arguments for my case. I understand the outcome of the PUA, and I understand why people are proud “in secret” of being a PUA.

Sincerely
Magnum45

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Oh, so you are capable of forming a coherent argument. Thank you for respecting us enough to grace us with one.

Well, now I can see why you are failing so badly to do what you set out to do. You are attacking something that doesn't exist. Your definition of PUA is flawed. If you were really serious about this you would know that the heart of PUA is self improvement, internally and externally. The lines and tricks are simply to get you started, like training wheels. Everyone can see them for what they are, even the girls, but they give you the confidence and drive to get out and start on a path that leads to more success.

Good on you for spotting this, and congratulations on reaching the next level, but poor form brother, poor form, on setting out to destroy something you don't understand, and recklessly and intentionally offending innocent people in the process.

I don't understand what results you expected to see with your cavalier and unsympathetic posts - no one likes you for it, and I dare say no one had a clue what you really think about all this until this very post you made.

This is a big shame, because your post pretty much sums up the essence of true PUA. It's a shame because you finally got to that next level, which is really only the beginning, and at the same time did not understand that his is exactly what PUA techniques are intended to help you do. Instead you try to sabotage the very thing that got you where you are.


As someone who started out as an almost totally socially incapable person who got strange looks and no conversation from anyone he tried to interact with, to becoming known for being something of a ladies man and having his life filled with wonderful women who are beautiful both inside and out, I can say that you sir, are extremely misguided about PUA and what this forum achieves for so many.


I want to finish by saying this is not a debate - I'm not interested in defending PUA at great length with you. What I advise you to do is go and actually read the posts that are going on here, and understand them. Sure you will find bits of ill advice and misguided people, but that's why we are all here. The forum overall does represent the essence of PUA. I'm surprised you missed it.

You may be right about PUA influencing me to be where I am today.

Although, I think I would have gotten to where I am faster if I didn't have PUA, and the scary thing is if I allowed myself to forget about what I really wanted then I would be successful at PUA, and I would have completely lost my identity all together. All I had to do, to become a PUA, is only care about SEX. Then I could have easily told the girls what they wanted to hear. I could have lied to them about my intentions and rationalized my lies as “flirting”.

The only thing PUA is good for is going to nightclubs and bars and picking up women. That’s what it’s designed for. All of the other skills you guys are learning you developed them on your own by experiencing life. It has nothing to do with PUA. The most important aspect of PUA is learning never to give up, but PUA is dangerous to your stable long-term relationships.

If PUA is about self improvement then change the name to Self improvement. Why call yourselves pick up artists if you are not. Everyone I have talked with likes to manipulate the words to there own intentions. You are an artist who manipulates women. Accept that fact, and I will leave you all alone. I don't like the masquerade. If you told a girl you where going to sleep with them and leave then 3 months later because you will have gotten with a better more challenging women, she would not stay with you. If she was intelligent she would say “What’s the point?” Maybe she is the type of girl who would find you a challenge, but in the end, she is settling for something she can’t have -- true love. I don’t want a girl who will settle for me because she believes she isn’t worth a gentleman. A gentleman doesn’t have to sleep with a woman to feel good.

The manipulation of a woman to fulfill your desires is rude, even if you leave her better than when you meet her. I want an example of how you fucked a girl and left her “better than how she was”. Maybe if she is a crack whore who feels good about fucking a decent guy.


I know a lot of the guys on this forum don’t have friends, and that is why they are here. Because they are unhappy with there lives and want to make changes. Going back to college with a positive attitude changed my life. In theory if you change your attitude about life then you will start to see yourself differently. You don’t need to sleep with a girl, although, reality is much more powerful than a thought. PUA is so dangerous though. It should not be utilized because it’s a CHEAT. It’s cheating the long hard path of self recovery that each loser has to go through in order to make himself a better person.

I think you all need to ask yourself the question, “What type of girl do I want?” Just because she graduated from a four year college doesn’t make her intelligent or respectable. People say only certain types of girls will fall for these lines and routines. Style says that he gets girls who graduated from a four year university. I think he is assuming their college experience makes them respectful girls, but he is incorrect. Meeting a girl in a bar will simulate the same kind of relationship it started out with-- alcohol and desperate choices.

Meeting a girl on the street will stimulate the same type of relationship-- a fast, loose, unstable, uncommitted fuck fling. If that is what you want, then go for it, but meeting a girl through friends and college is how all people I know have gotten married.

If you understand where I am coming from, I assure you I have an incredibly valid point. I don’t suck at sleeping with women – I have been with many beautiful women. I do suck at finding a girl who has the qualities I want. My desires want more than just sex. Now I have to stay focused on the type of girl I can see myself with in the long-term. I have friends in college, and I can utilize them to meet many other friends, and I can then better estimate the ability of a friend before sleeping with her. Then I will work my ass off trying to get her. She will see that I am a not Mr. Smooth and she will respect me for my hard work. She will understand my sincerity because of my dedication, and that is how you start a long term relationship. Knowing that I am not suave with women will help her feel safe and secure enough to trust me. I am not a fuck-up in life. In fact, I am incredibly successful, and I will use this esteem to plow throw her emotions and irrational barriers. The challenge for me will be to over come my negativity and accept an amazing connection with a respectful girl. I deserve her.

My whole life I had to work double because of my negativity. I know my negative mind will come back after I meet the girl who is up to Par, and that will be my challenge—to accept the fact that I have ownership rights to true love with a woman.

Most of what I believe in comes from David D’s inner game material, Styles -The Game and annihilation DVD’s, my college experience, and a respectful upper class girl whom I treat as a mentor. She came from a stable secure family, and has a stable and secure relationship.

Sincerely,
Magnum45

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A lot of your argument is based on your extremely limited view of PUA, and some of it is pure speculation on your own part which you have never validated yourself.

But the core of your argument rings true to me - it's just that you seem to think you alone have found the answer, and PUA has nothing to do with it. But in fact you even quote David D's "inner game" as having helped you most. Have you even seen his latest work "Man Transformation"? Or any of David Wygant's stuff? All about inner game, no tricks.

You have learned to ride on a 3 wheeled bike, and discovered a 2 wheeled bike all by yourself, and you're coming back to tell us "You n00bs, that's not a real bike! You're all kidding yourselves!"

You may as well be berating a baby for trying to crawl before it walks.

I put it to you that if not for PUA, you would never have found the drive for self improvement in the first place, or you would be too old by the time you realised what you need to focus on. PUA set you on the adventure, which it has done for us all. PUA is a body of knowledge that we can all benefit from to fast track our development, just like we learn from teachers at school, so to we can learn here.

The name PUA is appropriate I feel - PUA is self improvement with the aim to make 2 people happy.



As for your theories;

You could have become a great PUA by only caring about sex? Please. For starters this is just your theory - you never actualy did it, so you don't know it to be true. Secondly, I know from experience that all but the stupidest girls can spot insincerity a mile away.

You believe meeting girls on the street will ALWAYS lead to something superficial? I take great offence at this, because two of my strongest social groups I have entered by meeting girls on the street.




So, in closing - what you are attempting to do is futile. The term PUA applies to too wide a variety of things for you to be so discriminatory.

Magnum, you have some good arguments going on there and I understand you. But seriously, those are YOUR opinions. Mention them once or twice and then LEAVE it. People musn't always believe what you believe. Stop trying to bring down fellow PUA's and AFC's. Seriously, show some god damn respect.

And Conker - I suggest you stop wasting your fucking time with this asshole. Let's hope he gets banned for sharing misleading information to a poor guy that asked for some help.

It's okay, I think we are done here. I hope he got something out of it.

Who are you to tell me that my opinion is not right? I am god.

I'm sorry that you meet your friends on the street.

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martialAnc,

I know this post is a bit old and dormant but just came across it now...Im assuming youre still having trouble?

this may be an obvious suggestion but have you tried lube? this will definitely take some strain off her. other than that she should naturally and gradually become more fitting to your size...i can imagine this being frustrating mate but give it some time and be patient with her (by the sounds of it you are already). also, dont rule out the option of seeking medical help. plenty of couples out there have this problem.

Pff... not all of us lucky bastard I can't help wondering which one of you is at the extreme end of size.

okay late post but haven't been able to be active lately

the magnum dude has gone way offtopic and I don't really agree on most of your points but i get what youre saying, however, PUA was designed to show frustrated guys that they can get girls/social as long as they are determined and are willing to learn and change their (negative)mindsets.

IMO it's all about self improvement and being able to always be your best self, it will always be you, but a better you.

@Magnum: believe want you want to believe, no one is forcing you to believe what they believe, so just do whatever you want.

I'd love to compete with you some day and show you the difference between Mr. 'I meet girls through friends of friends cause im an internet/textbookhero who flames at guys who actually do have the balls to go out and leave their comfortzone to meet new people ' and moi


@ last post:

it's a combination, she small, im bigger (not ron jeremy big)
im gonna try the lube now ty

Everyone knows PUA is unhealthy. They all knew the warnings. I just didn't realize everyone knew already. I was trying to spread the message. I would apologize, but when I do people want to ban me. So I will stay on my high horse.

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I take my hat off to you sir.

OT.

I had the same problem with both my x-gfs. My first X, it was a problem for a while. She was a virgin when we started out. I think, in retrospect, it had to do with a comfort issue. At some level, she was still apprehensive about sex. This disappeared over time though, as she became more comfortable. It wasn't an issue after about 2.5 months (1.5 months after we started having sex).

With my next gf, it happened again. For her though, it was purely muscle control. We tried, I couldn't get it in, and then she was like "okay, hold on.....now try" and it worked great. I think that might have to do with kogals or something.

Lol I haven't actually given you any advice. I believe the problem with my first girlfriend was that she was really insecure and unconfident about how she looked, and hence anxious when it came to sex.

With the 2nd girl, I'm not sure. When we failed at first, she was DETERMINED to fuck lol, so I think that allowed us to overcome the issue.