Well, here's the problem. I get two kinds of results after opening; After talking about the opener the girl doesn't seem so interested and I end up using another canned routine to keep the convo going (which sucks) OR somehow the convo gets natural (the girl engages me) and then I can do the rest nicely and naturally and close the girl.

The frustrating thing is that until now my success has been kinda dependant on the girl during opening. If she is enthusiastic enough to deliver a new topic to the table or continues the opening topic by her own will then I can manage.

However if she just shuts up after the opener and is unreactive then I'm stuck. When the girl is unreactive after the opener I don't want to go into the AFC-ish asking-game, so I usually end up using canned stuff and routines. This already lowers my state since I am trying to learn the natural way and don't want to take the canned route to her honey... and because my state lowers I end up failing the set. It also feels awkward for me to start talking about something totally different after the opener (it seems like i am TRYING to keep the conversation going).

So my question is, how do you guys "keep the convo going" or transition into some other topic after the opener. How do you do it in a natural way? It's easy for me to end up living inside my head if the opener doesn't provide the wanted results (ie. the girl seeming interested), so for now it's quite impossible for me to overcome bitch-shields and girls who aren't so happy and enthusiastic in the beginning.

Any advice helps and encourages me
Thanks in advance.

Maybe this should be moved into Sticking Points?

This is mid-game so I think its in the right section..

I also have this problem so any advice would be greatly appreciated

Ya, it's the right section.

Sadly though, I don't think you'll get the answer you are looking for. There could be so many things and so many ways to analyze this. Maybe it could be your BL that's not congruent with what you are saying, maybe it's your energy level, maybe you are not doing a time constrain, maybe you are not giving enough attention to obstacles, maybe your tonality if off, maybe your inner game is not where it should be, etc....

Go out more and analyze what you are doing. Try other things.
There is no secret pill answer on this one.

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Yeah I actually think this is more of a innergame problem. I let the unwanted reactions effect my state too much. The best fix I can figure for this for now is to just open more! I admit I am totally not going out as much as i should (maybe once a week) and this makes me more vulnerable to "take things personally". At least this weekend I plan on going out tonight and tomorrow night and to open as much as I can and take the sets as far as I can.

I guess the question is actually about how to talk about "boring" topics in an interesting way? Naturals don't use canned stories/routines and they got the talent to talk about normal things in an interesting way to a girl. Fluff talk so to speak.
I have a couple of newfound natural friends (who have turned pua) but since they have girlfriends I haven't sarged with them that much and studied their behaviour for the sake of this topic. It would be damn interesting to understand and see how the natural's brain works

I think I could help you with this one. I can talk about the stupidest stuff (no brag) but the key is actually being really interested in what your talking about. When I ask a question, I mean it and seem as though I really want to know the answer (which I'm always interested how they respond). Recently I've asked girls if they have ever used teeth whiteners because I was thinking about getting some myself. Teeth whiteners? Lol but they where interested in the question because I was. Hope that helps.

i feel the same way about trying to go from an opener to another topic. it seems so random, and at that point im totally in my head. Sometime it flows if she is responsive, but if not it sucks.

Do you want to know what naturals ACTUALLY talk about?

They talk about stuff THEY find interesting.

As long as THEY are interested, EVERYONE ELSE will be.




And YES, I like to CAPATALIZE random WORDS!

I KNOW what you MEAN

NATURALS tend to FUCK UP, though.

Because SOMETIMES, they are TOO natural.

YA DIGG?

And YES I like to capitalize random WORDS.

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