THis site helped me A LOT! i used to be so scared even talking to girls. it made me confident. and now i joined the forum to help others as well. dont take this site as a rule book magnum, take it as advice. and it DOES work.

Dear Magnum,
I can understand why you are upset, the situation that you described would have been embarassing and demoralizing to anyone. You are correct on many points, most men do sleep with women simply to raise their own self-esteem in much the same way that balemic women throw up in order to make themselves feel better about their weight.

This community does have its flaws, and they are considerable in number (importance of being Alpha, importance of sleeping with the women you attract, a multitude of canned material) but the community has many good traits aswell. This community was developed in order for regular men to be able to better undestand women so that those men can then use that knowledge in order to better satisfiy and serve women. Now in saying "satisfiy and serve" you have probably already pressumed that i mean sexually, but that is not the case the main bulk of information here is compiled so that men can become more interesting to others. Now if your goal is to be interesting simply so that they will sleep with you then so be it, that is what you wish to do with your life.

In terms of a long term relationship if that is what you want then mabey you should see a relationship counsellor, but you do need to start up a relationship before you can see a counsellor about such a subject. Not everyone wants or is able to have a long term relationship, some people travel to often, some are already married to their jobs (me) and some simply arent ready to settle down yet. The best thing about the partial freedom that we enjoy is that everyone gets to choose how they live their life.

It is definately good to hear that you are going to fix your self-esteem, the problem with having low self-esteem is an obvious one, you do not have confidence in yourself. Now when people do not have confidence in themselves they turn to people who they do have confidence in (the people who do have confidence in themselves, however misplaced that confidence may be) leaders these leader figures give advice and comfort (though it not flawless advice). Those lacking in self-assurance and self-confidence tend to take advice without question, reason or logic (we have all seen this happen when the smart kid at high school confidently answered A) then majority of other people followed, even those who knew that the answer was not A) still would answer A) simply becuse they were more confident in someone elses ability rather than their own).
So hopefully you do fix your self-esteem and confidence and mabey then you will be able to be more critical and deserning of the advice that is given to you.

I wish you luck Magnum, you have no reason to be upset with the community they only offered advice, what value you put on that advice and what you do with it is up to you. Go easy on yourself.

-Suntzi

I partially agree and disagree with magnum.

Yes, community does have its pros and cons.

Learning pickup helped me a lot, not only in my love-life.
- It explained what qualities should really men possess and start eliminating my weaknesses;
- It taught me 100s of good routines and I managed to develop another 100 of my owns based on that;

Yes, many people are prejudice towards community, because there are so many 'black sheeps'. Some just don't have what it takes, some just learn routines by heart, some just become big time players treating women like rubbish. Many people are just jealous of PUAs success.

Speaking of family - it has already been proved that best families are the ones where husband is experienced with women. After years of rich sexual life and fulfilling all of his naughty desires. AFCs will also have sense of emptiness if they settle for their first and only woman.

However, community also had negative effect on me.
It did explain a lot of errors I made previously when dating girls, however, it also had great impact on things I did naturally well. I rarely do anything naturally now and I can't fight it.

The point is, that PUA community gives you loads of useful information. You have to digest this information, do loads of trial & error experiments and decide what's best for yourself. Develop your own model of behaviour. It is obvious that bodybuilder and software developer both should have different behaviour patterns.

I disagree with anyone who says the game doesn't work. I've had more success with the game than anything else in my life, because it's all just psychology. in addition, it has more to do with how you use it, and when you use it. The game is a set of tools used to obtain attraction from women, and a good carpenter NEVER blames his tools. You have to use the right tools for the right job, the right routines for the right people and environments. The game has to be intergrated into who YOU are. You have to use your own discretion and judgement while in the field. The fact is whenever you go against your better judgement, and environment counts too. Magnum said in the first post that he wanted to rely on himself as opposed to the game, but the correct answer is a delicate balance of both. To me, the game is a way for women to like me for me, and an excellent method of developing attraction early on. There's so many good aspects, and there's a lot of fun in it. Oh well, to each his own.

Can you site your sources please.

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Dear Suntzi,
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this. I really appriecate it. I believe so many people on this forum are ignoring the warning signs because they don't want to deal with making a tough choice. My mission is to make the consiquences of this game blatenlty obvious. If you are not looking for a long term relationship then that is your choice. Being a PUA is perfect for you, but you won't be able to go back easily if you change your mind. Good luck in your endevors.

Sincerely,
Magnum45

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I believe in to each his own as well. But I also believe in showing consiquences to people who may not see them. You don't have to develope attraction. You just have to be a man. It works much better when you just give up on trying to get the girl and just be yourself. You are going to fail much more, but you will get just one or two and they could last a lifetime.

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I am not offended. I would rather be a AFC than a PUA because at least I am being real with myself. The women I want to spend the rest of my life with will understand who I am before I even say hello. There is no need for me to act like I am something I am not.

The thing I had to learn was what I wanted in a women, and to stop going after women for SEX. That was my biggest problem. After I discovered that I will only go after a women I can see myself being married to, my life had a purpose.

sincerely,
Magnum45

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I am glad you are happy, but please be careful. This mentality will halt you from a marriage. A women of good social standing will not want to be captured like an artical of clothing. They will like to make the choice. Don't trick them into making a choice. It is a marriage. Make sure you are honest with both partners.

Sincerely,
Magnum45

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Horrible game.

Don't blame us for how bad you are at picking up women - blame how bad you are at picking up women.

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I think having a woman become attracted to you isn't manipulation, and I'm certainly myself when I show my game, because it MY game. My game changes my approach, not who I am. I'll be me for me, I want women to want ME for ME. And the game doesn't change who I am, it just makes the beautiful women I want to attract more attracted to me.

No matter what woman your looking for, the game can help you find her.

But to each his own.[/quote]

Magnum,

Being a PUA isnt about manipulating women or hugging tightly onto Mystery, Style, Ross or any other PUG's nutz. It is ALWAYS a pleasure to have been with a PUA, and we always leave them better than we found them, or try at least! LOL

You don't have to be a dick or a jerk, you just spread the charm that disarms girls' bitch shields (which they learned to put up either through experience or through association. )

I recommend that you keep at this PUA thing because every red-blooded male enjoys the pleasure of female company. It'll do you good

Point A: What if we dont know what kind of woman we want? Them we meet our "two" for the lifetime, and they both aren't what we want? you can't just get the one and be like "oh, there's the one that likes me, i guess I'm done looking." You'll be miserable. I'm pesonally dating all kinds of women so i can narrow down what i like, so i can easier find someone to settle down with, when i need to settle down.

Point B: And we all know these 'consequences' you talk about, we get it. You can stop pounding the pulpit about the 'evil' ways of a PUA.

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Here's to being single, seeing double, sleeping triple, and multiple orgasms.

Thanks for listening to me. I am really happy you are aware.

If you don't know what kind of women you want ask this question after hanging out with her. "Does she seem like the type of girl I can bring home to my family and friends? Does she seem like she is compassionate to my needs and can be supportive of me for being who I am?"

If you can't answer those two questions then one of two things happened. #1 she didn't understand the essence of who you are as a person. #2 She is not right for you.

If you suffer from #1 then you have to figure out who you are. Do this by writing out everything you think, and taking a stand for what you believe in. Even if everyone around you disagrees with you, if they don't have logical points then ignore them. So many people are misguided in this world it's important to only trust people who you can see yourself being like.

You have to make a choice, so start researching who you want to be. I choose a combined role model of Pastors and successful business men.

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Mystery is not married.

Style can not be in a long term relationship because long-term relationships are hard work. Style is an amazing man, but his view on women will cause him to quit when the going gets tough.

The need to be with only one woman comes from the inability to relate to many women easily. If finding a good woman was as easy as going out and buying a product; why would you marry the product? Simply go out and buy another once product A goes bad.

There is a very delicate line between success and then degradation. I am sure that Styles own parents have something to do with his outcome in life. His perceptions are influencing all of you.

I will illustrate how doing something that "works" can also be destructive.

In ancient Rome many people where killed in the political arena-- enemies of senators, emperors, and generals. In 26A.D. Augustus got into power after the assignation of his father, Julius Caesar, by Brutus and Mark Anthony, and then Augustus fought for power with Brutus and Mark Anthony. Augustus was the supreme victor. He then led Rome into 200 years of peace.

Does 200 years of peace make the assignation of Julius Caesar right? It works, so why don’t we just assonated evil people now? Well because we developed a better government than that. We just have to wait four years and we get to elect a new leader. My point is that murder is not right-- even though good can come from it.

I say that murder for political reason is immoral and destructive to character. Eventually around 400A.D, Christianity won over the population and murder was considered a sin. The societal constructs of ancient Rome are very different than modern days.

Who is to say that killing someone in the name of good is correct? Is what Augustus did to his rivals considered murder? Jesus said turn the other cheek. There must be a balance of good versus evil. How can you tell when you are in the wrong and when you are in the right?

How will you know if you are twirling down a spiral of women you will never free yourself from, or you are simply on a path to find "the one".

Don't ignore the warnings of the people. They are the ones who have hundreds of years of tradition guiding their choices. Ask people close to you if learning these tatics is good for you.


Sincerely,
Magnum45

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