I think you're misunderstanding the point. When you're with your friends, do you take the piss a little? Well you basically shouldn't treat a girl any differently.

I 'neg' my friends all the time and they do the same to me. Thats all it means. We aren't talking about bullying the poor things here. But putting them down to at least an even status is the goal.

Besides last thing I want is a girl pushing me about and telling me what to do. Guess this sort of thing establishes that.

Not emotionally or even in terms of self-esteem or self-confidence. It's all about the subconscious idea of status and value. The girl may not feel all that much different after a neg, but see subconsciously sees you to be on the same status level as her.

Like how you would see a boss or teacher as being of higher status than you, but if you didn't know them and met them somewhere else they would be your equal.

Well women walk into a club (or throughout their lives depending) thinking that they are somehow higher status than men because they have sexual power over them. Something like a neg breaks that preconception. It shows them that you are not intimidated by their sexuality and therefore cannot be controlled by them. And are therefore equals.

I believe Kalel and Turn up the night covered my point pretty well.

- Exerio

Now hang on.


being confident and nice together isn't a bad thing. it looks like that's the general consesus.

Except negging someone can be excluded, and still remain in the form of being nice.

Clarification:
Aren't you guys all just over-thinking the whole thing then?
if you want to go by Exerio's book definition, then, yeah, always be nice. Even C/F is almost always just a joke, to make her laugh and keep her interested. Negs bring her down to your level.

then by definition of NICE, yes you should be nice.

just do it with confidence, and dont do it so much that you'll seem like a pushover.

Leaving them better off than when you met them- isn't that just being nice?

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move fast enough, and you can move people from one *normal* to another.

I started writing a reply but I realized that it will become way too long.

I will just caps lock the important part!

ALL NICE GUYS HERE NEED TO READ DAVID DEANGELOS BOOK "ATTRACTION IS NOT A CHOICE" I'M AN ASSHOLE AND I GET PLENTY OF PUSSY

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I find it hilarious how many people think of negs as insults, and how many guys are way too harsh on a neg, perhaps the name "neg" is misleading. The point of a neg is not to insult, but as stated, to bring them down off of there own sexually dominating pedastol.

A neg is to show them you know they aren't more valuable, or that you are just a bit more valuable then they are.

Negs don't have to be mean, you don't have to be mean to pick up a girl... watch some Keys to the VIP, some good pick up's by nice guys and bad boys alike.

Relationships in many ways are BDSM like in the regard of one partner being the dom and the other person being the sub.
Couldn't agree more. A lot of people here think they don't need to adjust their game to the girl they are approaching. Each girl is different and comes with totally different variables.

Well I just figure it is assumed that all women are different and adjustment must be made. Obviously we are all speaking in generalities because it would be impossible to break down the specifics all possible individuals. I suppose though, that some guys here still see pickup as a balanced equation of some sorts.

as well as a bunch of shitty ones.

some of those guys have no game.

good thing the commentators are good at pointing out the good from the bad.

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Good for you....

If it works for you, then great, but not everyone has to be like you to get some.

still worth a read.

and its not about being an 'asshole' just 'better'.

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