So i have been testing out the game stuff for about 12 months now. Its hit and miss and i think i have now identified my sticking point.
I went out with a good natural last night who said that i was showing too much interest early on.
Now, i have read that in an interaction you have to do 80% of the talking, especially to a group, then balance it down to the other way around.
Last night i had possibly the biggest bitch in set i had ever experience. She closed off everything i said an then said "you are trying to make me feel something and it isnt working,"
She was about a 5, she had a hot friend who my friend was chatting to , and possibly every other guy went straight for, and my friend without me knowing had already got shut down, but it was fucking hard work staying in set and not giving a fuck as she shut down everything i said.
After seeing more AFC adam stuff, he doent appear to do any routine, or display any value early on, or do anything than just talk. So how is he develping attraction?

If i go in with an opener , DHV routine, story, neg etc before they have said much, does this mean that they havent earnt in and they will think i am trying to please them too much.

From what i have gathered, the more routines you learn the less u need to use them. So why then does Styles game consist of solid routine?

I like routines, i guess i just need to stick them in when there is enough interest there.
But then again, things like the routine are made to gather interest.

Look forward to your feedback and ideas.

CB