I just bought the book but haven't started it yet but some advice would be great. I'm not a fan of all the acronyms so bear with me. I'll fix things up later as they'll seem fragmented as i have work in 5 minutes

The only weak part in my game is knowing when to make the move. the only times i've messed up with a girl i was interested in were when I missed the window to make the move as for the last two years I've skipped the first move. And I'm not a one night stand guy either as every girl I've hooked up with or dated has been for a minimum period of 2 months

Simply put there's a girl I met who I've been flirting with for the better part of 2 weeks now and I want her for myself. She has a boyfriend who she's been dating for about 6 months but is more a casual relationship that lasted and is more for convenience.

I have game and I'm extremely good with the mind games and wit but somehow she beat me at them which never happens so she ran me around for awhile before I realized it. She's literally a genius and knows she has the upper hand.

About her..
She's admitted she likes me but she's a serial monogamist you could say
She has a soft spot for assholes
She loves soccer and massages
She's not a one night stand person

Back to the flirting though... While flirting she even went as far as to say she wasn't ready to break up with her boyfriend but was interested with somebody on the side unless somebody better came along (she wanted to test the new car before trading in the old one). And also that she wanted me to make a move to see how far i'd go even though she wouldn't have allowed it yet. She knows I want her but admittedly will continue to be a tease and seems to be able to remain one step ahead of me

She's definitely interested but not ready to leave her boyfriend yet but hasn't told him about me yet. As for the 3 times we've hung out.
1. We went for coffee during the day and just talked and flirted a bit
2. We went to watch the lunar eclipse and then kicked a soccer ball around until 5am
3. She came bowling with me and 2 other friends and then after the two of us hung out until about 11:00-2:30am on my bed watching YouTube, stand up comedy, and listening to music.

My only weakness is a girl who can beat me at a battle of wits and she's only the second one i've come across that could do so. This is driving me nuts as you can tell so some good advice would be in order as I can't focux enough at the moment to compete.

According to a few of my friends she's so good that she could have written the book herself. She's even admitted to throwing out specific techniques and lines early so that i couldn't use them.

Thanks for reading and any help would be great. I'm currently just pretending to not even care and making her want to chase after me but I guess you could say I'm stumped at the moment..

In essence. How should I know to make the final move as I'm not the guy on the side who comes in second.

Went after this type a LOT aswell, and reading the story I think your going the right way with just taking a step back and trying to let her chase you. Just don't let the line go slack, keep seeing her a bit. (I totally base this on it being the opposite of what I used to do. )

You need the upper hand, and it sounds already like the only thing stopper her is that she has a boyfriend.

http://www.freewebs.com/xfman/othertech ... #107232871

Read that its about boyfriend destroyers. You have to increase your value and lower his while not offending her choice of boyfriend (dont bash him)

Then I would say hang out with her, but maybe do some cat and mouse. Leave hanging out again open ended and then see if she calls.

And if she is a smart girl, you somehow have to get more into her feelings and have her feelings guide her instead of her mind. I cant say I have any advice for how to do this, im pretty new

pokernumen I see your problem and its the fact You're playing it too safe being a Nice Guy. Boyfriend destroyers aren't exactly what you need at this point if you're not going move to kiss or anything. She's already destroyed him herself by saying "she's interested in someone on the side" You are missing the HUGE SLAP in yo face signs. Laying around till 2am on your bed !?!? She wanting you to make the move. You are sadly mistaken if you think she's going to do it for you. 2 weeks is a long time to not make an move. Your dealing in the damage control zone. She really doesn't have a reason to chase u at this point. She has a boyfriend she can go to for her needs. You're going to have to act now or it'll never happen

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The only obstacle was that when she enticed me to make a move and I did she stopped me because she just wanted to see if i had the balls to do it.. that was maybe 2 days before hanging out on my bed so I'm giving her time.

She's already in turmoil about which way to go because she's fairly loyal to her boyfriend but likes me as well as a few other things. she's back home for a few weeks before she starts school so I wasn't able to pull my massage test as I'm trained in that.

Simply put when I give massages there's 3 types: the basic swedish/shiatsu massage and the professional massage with expensive oils. this one ultimately determines how far things will go by their reaction and lets their feelings instead of thoughts take over.
So I think I'm pretty set now that i've set up that aspect.. all i have to do is avoid doing something stupid in the mean time.

Thanks southern cross as you're right about overriding her feelings. This should do it

Call me pessimistic, but i would leave this girl alone. I love the chase too, and thats why i had a year long cold streak... Jumping from taken girl to taken girl with little to no results. I recommend finding someone else to play with, this will at the very least DHV and if she really likes you she will chase you.

Yeah, I'm calling pessimistic then. This girl is dating material and only the 5th girl i've met which i can consider such. The only way I fail when going for a girl is if I screw something up.

But as for your suggestion, I'm definitely having my fun on the side. There's a story from last night which I'm debating putting on the boasting part of the forums but it may just be too much to put on that

Im always leary about BFs and husbands because ive had affairs and with thier ladies and wives, and ive been lucky to get away with only my life being threatened

BFs and Husbands are bad for your health(they could kick your ass or worse kill you)

plus i have been on the other side of the fence recently and lost my GF to someone she was fooling around with, so ive felt the pain on the other side too, since then ive decided that its a shitty thing to do, to fuck up someones relationship. but thats me, you do what you want to do.