So I know this probably sounds like a really cliche post, but my question isn't which PUA is better, but really I just want some information on Ross Jeffries methods, and how well they work.
I have studied the Mystery Method and have been applying it for a couple months now, finding some success, constantly improving with it. I feel this stuff is really solid. I believe if I continue to practice and improve upon my game, I can achieve the PUA status some day.
After reading The Game, I found Jeffries NLP methods to be very interesting, but completely different from mastering social dynamics like Mystery does. What do you guys think about NLP and Jeffries? How difficult is this stuff to learn? How effective?
-Prodigy

P.S. It would be awesome if someone could give me advice on my last post, sarging at parties on campus.

Since you have read the game and MM I will concentrate this post on Ross Jeffries, now while Ross Jeffries is an excellent pick up artist, he is also a very "evil" man.
Some methods he uses are banned from this forum and should not be discussed. He is very good on his NLP methods, but he has learned to manipulate it, and there for he is manipulating thoughts of others, personally I have also studied a lot of NLP, so I know what he is doing although I probably couldn't do it myself, at least not with such style, but like I said, to be SO manipulative is hardly worth it.

Sadly Ross Jeffries is not a very good writer, and therefore his books aren't very good, if you want to learn about his methods, watch Utube videos, and study NLP, I don't think his books or videos will help you, NLP cannot be taught, you have to learn it by practicing on your own! it can be taught to some extent but to become good you really have to devoted and practice all the time!

Manipulating NLP on it's own could be discussed for hours on wherethere it is morally right or wrong, personally I think it is up to you what you use it for.

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Yeah I have read MM and the game, and several other works. The thing I find is that most of the works I have read can be collaborated into your game. But from the little I've read on NLP and Ross Jeffries (mostly from The Game) I feel that these techniques won't easily be mixed in with MM.
They talk a little about Jeffries being "evil" in The Game. Now I think, just as you said, that is just simply an interpretation. I have read a little on NLP, and my understanding is it basically revolves around sending subliminal messages to make the woman feel a specific emotion towards you (at least when used to pick-up women). It essentially is a form of hypnosis, if I'm not mistaking.
I feel these techniques are a little more "immoral" than using MM, but then again many techniques I use involve complete lies being told to the women. But my views are this: women will put on many "fake" items (make-up, push up bra, etc.) in order to get men more interested in them, which then gives them a chance to get to know the men, and from there possibly form a relationship. Well that is really all the techniques used in the MM do, you create "fake" material to talk to women about, which interests and attracts them, and gives them a chance to know the real you. If you sarge long enough, eventually you shouldn't even need to fabricate anything, you will live the lifestyle you had always claimed to live while sarging. Now of course you could use these techniques for evil (simply attracting and comforting a women, seducing her then leaving her). But the same could be said for women (attracting men by wearing revealing clothing, and fucking as many as possible).
The main problem I could see with NLP (from the limited amount of research I've done on it) is that I feel that using many of the techniques would be socially awkward, and show little social intuition (a DLV). Now maybe you could manage to make it work on your target, but overall I feel that little social proof would be established, and gaming girls who saw you use these tactics would be difficult with the negative social proof you developed. The MM involves using social dynamics to your favor, something most people try to do naturally anyways.
The other thing, which you did mention, is I feel that NLP would take a long time to truly learn to where you could be affective. MM really contains many basic social skills that you should apply in any situation regardless of whether or not you are sarging.

You are right about mixing MM and Ross Jeffries would be like mixing oil with water, it won't happen!
However, I personally see MM and the techniques Mystery and Style used in "the game" to be beginners methods. Mainly because your teacher (or guru) would put the words in your mouth, it doesn't really take any skill to copy someone elses work.
When it comes to NLP, it has such a broad use, in your work, private life, social life and of course also when you pick up girls. NLP makes u a stronger and better person mentally! It is very easy to incorporate in your pick up.
When it comes to my oppinion of ross jeffries, I think the man is a freakin genious, yes he is manipulative, but the man knows his stuff.
And when you see newer videos of mystery you will see that he has kind of switched style and started to leave his routines and do more and more psychology stuff..

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Mystery all the way, probably the best pua there is!

As a newbie, I'm leaning more towards the MM route.


Not because of its effectiveness. But because the buildup is more than half the fun. If your going to trick people and skip that process, your not having sex, your having a wank into a vagina.

NLP is still a very interesting concept though, and one that I intend to study down the line - I'm more interested in its application in my professional life as opposed to my personal life however.

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