For the uninitiated the apocalypse opener is this: http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/r ... pener.html

First off, I used to be completely akward and nervous with women, I had many strange ideas about the world, and was quite misanthropic.

However, in the past six months my confidence has skyrocketed. Almost as if I have become a buddhist, where, I only logically accept things as they are, and I do not care what anyone thinks. So, I think I have pretty good inner game.

Today, I think I had sunk a bit in my inner confidence. I was a bit sad, and a bit pessimistic.

However, I thought I`d give it a go and atleast smile at the girls and ask them.

I've tried it six times, and different from Ciaran, I am opening around my university, he seemed to think a place like a club is the best, but I hate clubs with a passion.

First time: It was a pretty public area, I saw a girl who was very pretty. Approached her and said the routine. She was shocked for a bit and then said no. Some guy walked up. As this was my first time, I was anxious, and I assumed it was her boyfriend so I simply said, ``well thanks``, and walked away. She told me that it was very "forward" of me.

Second time: Another startling women with black hair was sitting on a bench. I approached her and pulled the line. She was smiling and very impressed, pulling her hair etc, but she let me know that it couldn't work since she had a boyfriend. We talked about her classes for a while, she then said she hoped to see me around.

Third time: A girl was sitting by a tree studying. I approached her and said the routine. She was very confused, but seemed to take it in her stride. We talked for a bit, although she seemed quite distant. However her friends approached, and she still was distant, she was just sort of a bitch. Last of all, she walked away with some guy, who again seemed like her boyfriend.

Fourth time: I approached this girl on her computer. She was absolutely stunned by what I said and overjoyed that I had been the first to ask her. But she had a fucking boyfriend! She said it took some courage to say it.

Fifth time: A girl with a red shirt walking by. She seemed to be offended with what I said. ``couldn`t you use something more polite!`` and said she had a boyfriend. ``atleast you have balls,`` she ended with.

Sixth time: Just absolutely akward. The girl was very dorky and introverted, seeming like a feminist. She was completely creeped out by what I said and just trailed off and left.

All the girls around here seem serious, and frown all the time. They don`t stare in my eyes for a minute in shock, maybe more like 5 seconds. Ciaran notes that he never has got a negative response from a girl.

Another problem I`ve been having lately, also is that some days every girl will stare at me and others only a few. I feel it`s somehow has to do with law of attraction and the energy I am projecting, but I`m not sure.

So, can anyone help me with this.. I`m a bit frustrated.

well certainly dont go running around doing it time and time again, because (depending on the size of you school, of course) you dont want that reputation. it obviously has some effect. if the girl was in a party phase, such as in a club, it might have had better effect. but chicks are in an "intellectual" phase in school, and coming out of higher level classes, thats the last thing on their minds.

it all depends on the environment.

Where do you suggest I go? A bar, a concert?

Well, I think your strategy with asking people at your university is crap to be honest

This technique is waaay more creepy than straight-forward ballsy when you are asking at day at your university.

At a club/bar, everybody knows that they are in am envoirment where it's very possible to get laid, and so, the technique comes off alot more natural and straight-forward when practising it at these places.

I definately think you should try it out, and suppress your hate of clubs

exactly what i was saying. just make sure the club has a quiet place, cause the one here you can NOT game at all, cause the music is so gotdammed loud, you cant even shout in your friends ear without being drowned out.

Guys, I've thought this through before.. but, I'm a metalhead. I have strong ideals. You're asking me to put a polo shirt on and khakis, and go associate with (generally) a bunch of superficial people trying to get laid, while dancing to the most IQ dropping music out there.. I've done that before, and a girl was about to sit on my dick, but it felt terribly against my true-will, I never had sex with her that night.

I'm not feeling completely fake to get laid by a girl who probably has thirty boyfriends, while listening to Akon.

Please. Any other suggestions? The downtown area.. bars.. stores?

I think when whoever says the apocalypse opener works everytime, he was picturing the everyman.
first, you are a metalhead, now, you didn't say what, but since you said no khakis and polos, are you all decked out in hardcore shit, peircings and tattoos, and just generally scaring the shit out of everyone? Because that's probably you're first problem. It's alot harder to get people comfy around you when you look like the trenchcoat mafia. Just an idea. I suggest finding a rock bar, or metal concerts, and that would probably be much more your forte.

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i dont think he meant your description of a metalhead. who knows, i could be about to be proved otherwise. he could be just like me, just some kinda normal dude who ups the irons and plays along to metallica.

i know exactly how you feel though, i hate hate hate clubs. "iq dropping music" indeed.

To BornInABurialGown:

Well if you are truly a metalhead, you must know some "metal-equivalent"-places to clubs? Like phantomxrider points out, rock bars could be a good idea?
I know theres alot of those here in Copenhagen at least.

Why do people always stereotype like this? I have long hair, usually worn back and I wear band shirts with artwork on them. Metalheads don't usually have piercings or tatooes. My shirts generally have forests or some band posing on them. If anyone thinks this is "cooky" or "scary" then they seriously have mental issues. However, I dress as I please, I don't conform to "styles" because I'm an under-confident tool that worries if he fits in or not, I simply dress in what I am most comfortable in and what interests me the most.

Secondly, I know girls think I'm cute. I've been told many times, girls look at me A LOT. I do not look menacing at all, in fact I probably look more like a puppy dog..

But no you're right, university is a pretty bad place to do this. I've started to just talk to girls with regular conversations and that seems to work exceptionally well (it may seem little, but it's huge since I used to be very shy). I'm afraid that the apocalypse opener doesn't work in a place where half the girls are dating, feminists or studying. I'm going to go to parties and maybe a few concerts and try it out.

Thanks everyone.

The thing about routines is, you need to learn to adapt them to your environment.

No, a uni is not a good place for this exact routine. Instead, try:

You: "Hey, how's it going."

Her: "Fine."

You: "Cool. What are you doing later?"

Her: "I'm not sure."

You: "Do you want to do x with me?"

Where x is something cool you're doing later; ie hitting the bar with your friends, playing pool, wtv. Maybe even saying, "Ok, give me your number, and you'll have something to do by tonight."

Making it about sex clearly will probably not work on campus.[/b]

"Would you like to make out?"



I don't know if you guys watch the Nickelodean show "Drake & Josh", but Drake uses variations on the Apocalypse opener all the time. He's probably a great role model for direct game in general.

You and I are on the same boat dear brother in metal hahha

cheers

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