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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:54 am 
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Well it was a complete disaster.
I am 18 i went to like a coffee shop bar with no music only tables.
I was with my friends not looking at anyone and i so from the window (I was outside, and the window was from inside to outside) that ppl are watching a soccer match. I wanted to open I thought it wouldn't be spontanious if I walked inside and just starting to open. So I planned to come look at the game and then open like the opener was spontanious. So when I got there I saw they were mostly guys so I moved to the left and quickly saw 2 girls and a guy probably much older than me and with out thinking I opened with them. I opened with the flause routine and I made a time excuse and I routed it with that my friends and I are thinking of this really important quiestion. So after I asked the woman I thought was the target (which I didn't care because my goal was just to open sucessfully with random ppl) said she used to flause after but now she does before, the guy was like real bored and didn;t even pay attention so I like pointed to him and said "and you?" I don't remember he's answer. The other girl said to me " I don't flause" so I laughed and did a face like wow youre really weird. And I turned around like I was about to leave and then moved suddenly back saying by the way smile for a second (I tried doing the C U smile types routine) and she just said no so i was "come one smile" and she said no so I turned around and left.
This thing was my first try ever and it made me feel really bad I wanted to practice opening with 5 different sets that night just to traine but after that I felt it wasn't a good idea and was really bumped out. The place was like a coffee shop and I felt as if it was like day pick uping and that it wasnt't the right place.
When I thought about it later I think the woman who made me leave said she didn't flause just to like make me go away.
Well the reasons I think it didn;t work were:
A) I was more enthusiastic then they were (I was laughing and feeling good with leaning out and doing good body language and they were pretty bumped out I think)
B) They all saw me as a little kid and didn't care about anything I wanted to say just to make me go away ( I don't remember exactly how they looked like but I wouldnt be suprised if they were like 25+ even 30)

I posted this because I wanted opinions on what could of gone wrong? what to do next? I think maybe I went to a to much difficult 3 set?

I also did 2 routines because I don't really understand how to enter mid game and thought that after I openg and do like 2 routines they'll start talking and I could proceed.

Anyway sorry for making you read this long post it's just 6 in the morning I just came back and I'm really frustrated so I hope someone can help me.
Thanks


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:40 am 
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I'm glad you use a canned opener for your first go. Good on you. Do you see now that if you are unnatural, or low-confidence, you will never win? If you seem like you are trying to seek approval, you are putting yourself in a position where you can be denied it?

You have to be natural. DHV, kino, routines, all the PUA lingo, it can really bog you down. The most important thing is to grow from all of this. Learn from your mistakes. Rejection is not rejection based on who you are as a person entirely, but who you were, right then and there, at that one particular time. Those people had no fucking idea who you were, and it doesn't matter. Because this world is full of people. Full of opportunity.

It's a painful process to learn all these mistakes by yourself so read as much as you can, but not for procedures or routines, but for the BIG ideas, the ones that really shift your paradigm of women.

Some of these include but are CERTAINLY not limited to:

the concept of saying "sorry" as low status
the concept of laughing as a way to gain approval
the concept that you are only as attractive as you are composed
the concept that we all have a super man inside us, as well as a wuss

Do you see what I'm getting at here? You don't have to work on your delivery -- that shit comes naturally after you stop seeking approval.

Again, good on you for getting your hands dirty. Now, get the job done, my man!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 11:05 am 
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I'm glad you use a canned opener for your first go. Good on you. Do you see now that if you are unnatural, or low-confidence, you will never win? If you seem like you are trying to seek approval, you are putting yourself in a position where you can be denied it?

You have to be natural. DHV, kino, routines, all the PUA lingo, it can really bog you down. The most important thing is to grow from all of this. Learn from your mistakes. Rejection is not rejection based on who you are as a person entirely, but who you were, right then and there, at that one particular time. Those people had no fucking idea who you were, and it doesn't matter. Because this world is full of people. Full of opportunity.

It's a painful process to learn all these mistakes by yourself so read as much as you can, but not for procedures or routines, but for the BIG ideas, the ones that really shift your paradigm of women.

Some of these include but are CERTAINLY not limited to:

the concept of saying "sorry" as low status
the concept of laughing as a way to gain approval
the concept that you are only as attractive as you are composed
the concept that we all have a super man inside us, as well as a wuss

Do you see what I'm getting at here? You don't have to work on your delivery -- that shit comes naturally after you stop seeking approval.

Again, good on you for getting your hands dirty. Now, get the job done, my man!
I didn't think I was seeking approval, I just laughed at a girl and then I told her to smile, I don't think I need to force someone to smile if she says no theres nothing I could of done.


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"come one smile" and she said no so I turned around and left.
This thing was my first try ever and it made me feel really bad
Were you being natural? Was your laugh genuine, or part of your act? Be honest with yourself now.

Check this out: you say you felt bad after she denied you the smile. Of course you're gonna feel bad. You didn't get what you were looking for: approval. A smile, a laugh, a sign that your opener was good. stop looking for it, you end up TRYING to be funny instead of just being ATTRACTIVE

It's hard not to, but the PUA has to learn not to care about rejection because it is simply LOW VALUE and COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. there shouldn't be an ON/OFF switch where you rehearse and rehearse a line then regurgitate it as convincingly as possible on will. opportunities will lay themselves in front of you and depending on your ability to think on your feet, you'll capitalize on them.

Go find more female friends!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:22 pm 
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"come one smile" and she said no so I turned around and left.
This thing was my first try ever and it made me feel really bad
Were you being natural? Was your laugh genuine, or part of your act? Be honest with yourself now.

Check this out: you say you felt bad after she denied you the smile. Of course you're gonna feel bad. You didn't get what you were looking for: approval. A smile, a laugh, a sign that your opener was good. stop looking for it, you end up TRYING to be funny instead of just being ATTRACTIVE

It's hard not to, but the PUA has to learn not to care about rejection because it is simply LOW VALUE and COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. there shouldn't be an ON/OFF switch where you rehearse and rehearse a line then regurgitate it as convincingly as possible on will. opportunities will lay themselves in front of you and depending on your ability to think on your feet, you'll capitalize on them.

Go find more female friends!!!!!!
When I think about it you are right. But lets say I try to open and do the smile shapes routine, if they don't want to cooperate should I just leave or what??


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:40 pm 
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Yeah man just walk away from that shit. If it ain't working then simply stop doing it. Conversely, if it does work, keep doing it! Sounds like a cake-walk when you put it that way but everyone gets approach anxiety and most of us never get to try out the techniques we scheme in our heads...

What I'm trying to do is fast-forward you to what I have found and tested in my life to work, which is to simply stop treating the game like a game. Stop scheming. It's gross and creepy. Learn why the routines work -- they combine DQs, DHVs, freeze outs, BLAH FUCKING BLAH. All that stuff. Why does it work? Apply it to YOUR OWN MATERIAL or else you will never be 100% confident. BUT IN THE END THROW ALL OF IT AWAY

Be completely natural. Or try to. I know it's hard to understand because there is no real way to teach this "ULTIMATE TECHNIQUE", because ultimately, it is a frame of mind.

Listen to this shit. “Stood there, speechless, Hakatul held his kicking and crying newborn and realized he was no longer just an ordinary man, but a father.”

Can you imagine yourself in that situation? You would be shitting your pants, or crying tears of joy, whatever. What basically happens in this example is a paradigm shift, A CHANGE in the way our character sees the universe.

MY SON

you have gotten the balls to face your fear
now face it with new eyes.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 3:13 pm 
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Yeah man just walk away from that shit. If it ain't working then simply stop doing it. Conversely, if it does work, keep doing it! Sounds like a cake-walk when you put it that way but everyone gets approach anxiety and most of us never get to try out the techniques we scheme in our heads...

What I'm trying to do is fast-forward you to what I have found and tested in my life to work, which is to simply stop treating the game like a game. Stop scheming. It's gross and creepy. Learn why the routines work -- they combine DQs, DHVs, freeze outs, BLAH FUCKING BLAH. All that stuff. Why does it work? Apply it to YOUR OWN MATERIAL or else you will never be 100% confident. BUT IN THE END THROW ALL OF IT AWAY

Be completely natural. Or try to. I know it's hard to understand because there is no real way to teach this "ULTIMATE TECHNIQUE", because ultimately, it is a frame of mind.

Listen to this shit. “Stood there, speechless, Hakatul held his kicking and crying newborn and realized he was no longer just an ordinary man, but a father.”

Can you imagine yourself in that situation? You would be shitting your pants, or crying tears of joy, whatever. What basically happens in this example is a paradigm shift, A CHANGE in the way our character sees the universe.

MY SON

you have gotten the balls to face your fear
now face it with new eyes.
I think that to bee original and play natural I have to have confidence and exprience which I think i attain by opening with a canned openers sucessfuly for some time.

Any way I talked to someone I know about what happened and he told me that it was a hugh success because I approched the wrong ppl in the wrong place and fought my approach anxiety + I successeded with the first opener and then I lost them.
They could of told me to fuck off at the flause routine.


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