i was wondering if any of you talented mo fo's out there could throw a little assistance my way...you see i get to a certain point with the 'game' if you like, i play it good n get to the number thing, n then it becomes a text game, but im like a sportscar thats looking and feeling it good, getting great vibes and feeling "yeah man" im on fire! n then i run out of gas, somewhere along the line im not progressing and just sticking at a certain point, that seems to climax and then drip, n i need a few tips on where to go from the casual negging and cocky flirting to, lets go for a drink and then who knows what mite happen, its the leap from, neg/flirt to...date and more i need to fill out....any suggestions?? does the fact that i just text and not call make a difference, i just feel the girl in quesion at the time may think....what is he ringing me for!?

First and foremost, phone numbers are just a point-system. They mean very little, if anything. If you are already texting her, and getting a favorable response in most cases, then you are doing far better with numbers than most guys.

To your topic, yes it matters that you haven't called. Phone game is tough, but hearing your voice and making a conversational connection is important to getting your girl back into your frame. Call her and tell her to meet you somewhere. Not "Hey, we should go to a movie and, hey, you never know what might happen after," but "Hey, it's me. Come for coffee with me. Meet me at that Denny's by the park at eight."

If she shows, then you've got a second meet. If she doesn't, accept it and move on. Or tease her hideously for standing you up and tell her all about the cool people you met at Denny's that could have been HER friends too. I suggest the first, but the second can be fun.

The point of calling her is to establish a new meeting; tell her something like:

Hey, Im going to get a cofee at Starbucks wanna join me ?

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Asking places you into a submissive role you don't neccessarilly want to be in, but I agree that saying you were going anyway (and that she is technically an afterthought) makes more sense.

Monkey: I'm heading out to Second Cup. Come with. I want to show you <ulterior motive that makes sense>.

Alright, we need to step back one pace. When you're out sarging, for one moment in time, you're gonna see yourself as the "man of the moment". But through the eyes of the girl, you probably look like any other "player" (just with better game). So how do we make her NOT think that? You gotta establish some comfort. If you get really strong at opening and getting her attracted to you, but can't follow up with comfort (aka reassuring her through actions and words), the relationship is most likely NOT gonna lead to another date and the chances for anything more will become even slimmer. So lesson today? Comfort. Elicit Values. Deep stuff. and comfort.

Isolate her after the IOI's and masterfully shift your game to "deep and comforting"

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I totally agree with Saros. If you are looking for a 2nd date or even a relationship, you need to establish that you are worth it more then anyone else at the bar. It's all about building up a solid rapport at the bar so they remember you. But to build that you have to work your way up from being the cocky fun guy, then add some mystery, followed by something to just grab her attention. I am not going to say what, because with each target, the situation changes. You have to flow into a good rapport and end it with something that with hold that rapport until your next meet. I hope that makes sense because its how it came out of my head. It's not a solid routine to use.... just a blueprint to follow. You need to DHV of yourself.

I agree with what has been said on this thread so far, but what can one do if one got a girl's number but wasn't able to build comfort or even DHV a lot? I met this real hot girl last friday but don't know what to say when I call her. All she knows is that I am the only guy that dared that night to open her and her model friend and make them laugh,sit with them and be cocky and funny and even neg her and get some kino from her.

I am not stealing the thread, I think this is still on topic.

thanks guys (shaft, monkey, saros).

my advice is this. Picking up girls the way we do is just like being a business man. I'm going through a training program now where they make you eat rapport for breakfast lunch and dinner. Having said that, you need to remember that sarging women is not unlike selling and one of the number one rules of selling is that its easier if you make it more personal. If you are in front of her at a bar, thats when it is hardest for her to say 'no' believe it or not. If you're on the phone, it becomes a little easier, and if you're texting/emailing/IMing her its very easy for her to sit down and think of an appropriate way to say 'fuck off.' So of course the best option is to force her to see you again because once your there and making her laugh, she'll forget why she ever wanted to cancel.

Also remember that it will be harder to get a second date with drunk girls because their inhibitions come back during the hangover. I would try to avoid girls that are falling off of barstools or spilling drinks.

But definatly avoid texting. If you're thinking she'll say "why the hell is he calling me" remember that SHE gave you HER number. You didn't steal it (technically ) Remember, you're the fucking man, and the fucking man isn't afraid to call some bitch and ask her on a date.

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cheers guys, much app'ed! ill try and incorporate them all into play in my own way...cheers for the "your the fucking man, and the man isnt afraid to ask some bitch out on a date" sharpluxe, loving it, helped a lot! so wer are u guys from? im pretty new to the whole thing, and thers not much activity of it round here, and im just about on my billy own in the game

I'm from the deep south state of Georgia in the USA... Columbus, GA to be exact. If you're ever in the area (unlikely) send me a message, I'd be glad to go sarging some time.

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