Hey so i recently met this new girl in my school she is a year old. She is an easy 10 and i really like her. i've had two conversations with her so far one being yesterday and one today.

Now I'm pretty new to the pua community so i was very nervous in hte first conversation it went like this.

Me: hey can i get your opinion on something
Hb10: sure
Me: do i look like a drug dealer
Hb10: no why?
Me: just wondering because i went to this huge party and at least four different people asked me for weed.
Me: do u ever get people asking u for something (Messed up)
hb10: no im so innocent
me: whats your name?
Hb10: *****
Me: nice to meet you (shakes hand) i'm felix
Me: u seem interesting
Hb10: how
Me: i don't know theres something about u
Me: look I'd like to get to know u lets continue this conversation (messed up pronunciation of conversation) another time


Next day I met her again

me:Hey do you know why you suck
hb10:why
me: i've been looking for you but u miss popular are hard to find
hb10: well i always go around here (points to the hall she goes through)
me: i only got a minute but what was ur name again?
hb10: *****
me: wow sounds unique is it turkish or something
me: anyways my buddy and me are having a debate on who lies more men or women what do u think
hb10: depends
me: okay two part question who lies better
hb10: depends
Me: okay i see where your going
me: listen do u go clubbing?
hb10: no
Me:why don't u come with me there is a event comming up
hb10: what if i can't make it
me: then u owe me
Hb10: what
Me: i don't know maybe we'll chill
hb10: i have a boy friend
Me: its not Alex is it? ( some guy follows her everywhere)
hb10: no laughs
me: well look u should still come
me: (takes out cell phone) do you know what this is its a cell phone
me: lets exchange numbers and we'll hang out
hb10: i don't have a cell phone
hb10: i have an email though
me: okay (while she puts her email into my cell phone)
Me: hes not going to beat me up is he?
hb: no giggle

Exchanges, hugs and i have no idea what to do next i really want a relationship with her. I need help please! I had it all planed out too only if she didn't mention the bf.

Now I either see her again and game her or through msn.

when girls mention BFs you shrug it off as if she said "i like the weather"

and what makes her worth 'having a relationship' with?

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I can't explain it I may sound like an afc but i find myself drawn to her. I hope i don't develop oneitis. Thanks for the response anything i can use to respond against her boyfriend talk?

From what I see, it seems like your drilling her for information via openers, and not going into your middle opener material. Try to make it a habit to remember hb10s name, several of them won't repeat it twice and will see you not remembering as an instant IODI. Best of luck!

Seems like you're doing OK to me . . .

I'm new to the forum but at the same time have had some success and make great reads in certain situations. The one thing that I see that might be doing you in is that your kissing her ass a little too much. Say things like "Oh that sounds unique is that turkish" Or I can't find you because your miss popular is something that any other guy would say to her. Remember you have to be the exception to the rule. Make sure that you are the prize and not her. I think some playful negs would be in order and some hardcore value demonstration of some sort to make her want to chase you, not vice versa. Just my two cents.

hb10: no im so innocent

RESPONSE: 'suuure...that naughty face of yours is just for show right!'

me: anyways my buddy and me are having a debate on who lies more men or women what do u think

..dont opinion open her so much. Sounds fake. Opinion openers should be spontaneously done to a stranger (normally) and done to the closest girl near by TO MAKE IT LOOK GENUINE. Its a bit odd if youre asking her opinion every time you see her.


me: listen do u go clubbing?
hb10: no
...
hb10: i don't have a cell phone

RESPONSE: jeez you dont go clubbing and you dont own a cellphone...you dont get out much do you!?


me: then u owe me
Hb10: what
Me: i don't know maybe we'll chill
(that doesnt sound fun)
RESPONSE: a free drink/milkshake of my choice, surely you can afford that with all the money you've saved from not going clubbing!


Me: hes not going to beat me up is he?
(that is a border line DLV...unless said extrememly sarcastically like you KNOW he hasnt got a chance of beating you up)


My responses here may not be amazing, but im trying to get across the point to TEASE her more.

First of all I personally think girls with boyfriends are off limits.
but philosopher is right ur drilling for info. u seem to robotic make the conversation natural bro make her see ur fun.

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First i'd like to say thanks for the help i'll use those next time its better i learn them now than in the field

Man so today I went for another go it turned out really good then bad. I'm sort of depressed haha cause this is my first actual dedicated pickup. Well not anymore anyways I got over it rejection is part of the game. Heres how it went

Me: Hey remember our last conversation how i said you seem interesting.

hb10: uh huh

Me: yeah well as i said i'd like to get to know you more so lets hang out

hb10: but i told you i have a boyfriend we've been dating for 3 years on and off

me: Yeah so i have a gold fish(I borrowed this on the forum from someone forgot thanks though)

Hb10: what? laughs

Me: i thought we were talking about things that weren't important

hb10: laugh i have a dog

hb10: i don't think my bf will like it if i go out with you but we can hang at lunch

me: sure alright know what meet me in the front tomorrow at lunch and i'll let you hang with me.

So things went well I was very happy! A while after school over she comes out running out of no where and it goes like this


hb10: hey i don't think i can hang out with you at lunch no more i don't think my bf will like it.

Me: um okay sure ( i was like dazed i didn't know what to say)

hb10: okay bye ( just walks off)

Me: hey (insert name) you should still come clubbing with me

hb10: no thanks i don't go to clubs

Yeah i felt really stupid and she walks back to a group of guys one probably her bf. Also i should mention don't know if its important my friends were yelling "yeah go felix." when i was gaming her not loud but maybe she heard

Boyfriends don't mean shit. I have taken home both married and engaged women.

In your case, at school it would be a lot harder because even if she did like you and wanted to f*ck you she would have to risk being labled a cheating slut by all her class mates.

Why are you depressed? She sounds fucking stupid anyway and fuck what all her guy friends think.

This one's not worth you time.

LOL . . . relax. I am certain you will figure this game out quite soon. You have a good attitude; You seem excited and willing to try this thing out. And it doesn't seem you have any chips on your shoulder. So OK . . . let's figure this out:

You began your interaction with this girl as this sociable, goofy guy: "I don't remember your name, but I still want to take you clubbing . . . by the way, is your boyfriend's name Bobba Fett? Will he beat me up?" She laughed . . . She gave you a hug . . . and she gave you her contact info . . . This is ALL GOOD.

Then you side stepped a bit.
What were you so happy about? You gamed her a bit and she ASSUMED that you wanted to "take her out" (as in a date). You didn't tell her this. She only assumed. So she offered you a test of sorts. She told you that her, "boyfriend won't like it if YOU TWO WENT OUT." And then she offered you a consolation prize of a "lunch together" and you took the bait. With your answer, you told her:

1. You're a kid in puppy love.
2. You don't have many other things to do than to follow her around.
3. She can just put you in the back burner because hell, you'll go "gaga" over sharing a school lunch with you.
4. There are absolutely no negative consequences to telling you, "NO".

So you told her, "I'll LET YOU HANG OUT WITH ME," but you have to figure out why this is even a Pick Up cliche' in the first place. How do you figure you'll "let her hang out with you," when she tosses you a crumb and you're slapping your fins together like a seal for the next bite?

See . . . she figured YOU out. She bluffed with a pair of 3's and you went all in with an ace high card. Once she won, the game was over. You're no longer a mystery. You're no longer a challenge. You're just a plain guy who happens to talk to her more often than others.

Don't be afraid to fold. A little lunch date in school isn't your goal just as winning a few small hands isn't the goal in poker. You want the DAMN POT. (I don't know exactly what that means to you but I'm certain it's not just a lunch date)

So keep your goofy, sociable, "can't really pin this guy down" frame. If you have goals to get with her, then you need to one way or another set up a ONE on ONE meeting with her. Words are cheap. Poker players are always "talking, talking, talking . . ." to figure each other out. So . . . let her talk all she wants to but you need to just stand strong and play out the entire round of poker.

Teasing her might be one way to do it but you need to also think about why "teasing" works for some. Being goofy, social, teasing, cocky, manly, etc . . . it all amounts to a sales pitch. How will you entice her to go to a club with you? Thus far, all you did was beg. This "round" is over for now but it doesn't mean you won't face her again another time. You just have to show up with a better strategy.

You began with a somewhat goofy/social frame. I'm thinking this is your personality so STICK WITH IT. It will WORK!

1. Start gaming other chicks NOW! And instead of focusing on "asking/begging" them to go out with you. Begin SELLING the fun to them. Tell them how much fun a certain club is and tell them specific stories of nights out. You will absolutely hear them go, "Wow, that sounds like a blast! Oh my God, that sounds like fun. It's at this point you can go, "Hey, you should come next time . . . yeah, it's a blast . . . " And it's at this point you can tease a bit. "Oops . . . but will your mommy let you go?"

2. Game "your girl" like ANY OTHER. Hell, you can even tell her the same lines word for word exactly as you told others. If she balks or tries to give you a "crumb" and you just treat her like a little nervous kid. (That's exactly what she is) And you tell her things like, "Ohh . . . yes, I wouldn't want you to disappoint your boyfriend either. Well, I'll see you next time." (Drop her like you'd do with an unsuited 3 and a 6) Just walk away!

3. Then the next time, you'd have some stories to tell wouldn't you? A particular night out she missed? All the fun you had? What do you think she was doing at the time? I'll tell you what she was doing. She was doing NOTHING. Go ahead and ask her. . . .then you say, "Oh . . . That sounds . . . fun . . . Well, I gotta go meet somebody at 5 so I'll see you later."

4. Do your best to avoid cornering her. By this, I mean don't let on that you want to date her, that you have this big plan to be her boyfriend, etc . . . in a public area. If you come on so strong early in this way, SHE WILL FOLD her hands. What you want to do is have her buy into the next round of betting by continuing to keep her guessing. Then, when you manage to get her one on one . . . and there's no one else around to keep her skittish, you can go all in and turn on your game big time.

Disagree with antic. This one isn't "stupid" but instead a very, very typical little girl. Pretty easy to figure out and definitely open to more rounds of fun interaction. Every vagina is worth a little investigation . . .

I actually saw her today we had eye contact for a brief moment and gave her a smile as she stared at me. Couldn't tell if she smiled back or not maybe a little grin then she walked by with her guy friend who hangs out a lot with her for some reason.

Thanks really appreciate the help I'll definitely used what i learned from this experience and use it in my next. So I should move on now though correct? Like aim for another lady for now. Basically wait it out a bit?

^^ Her "guy friend" is most likely her book carrying eunuch servant. Anyhow . . . move on with your life . . . but this doesn't mean you should move on from her. If the opportunity presents itself, you should DEFINITELY converse with her. Keep your frame! Stick to who you are . . . women love to feel that they are liked and loved but if you just freely give it to them, it will be worthless. Make them earn it and they'll appreciate it much more.

And haven't you ever gone shopping? Even if your goal is to buy one particular car or a watch, wouldn't you go to several different stores/dealerships to get a feel for the market? Wouldn't you test drive several different cars? Those dealers NEED to know that you are test driving several cars and that you are being wooed by other dealers. This will give you higher PURCHASING POWER. If you only go to one dealer and ask for one car and he knows it, they'll get cocky and will demand all sorts of BS.

So you don't "aim for one lady" even if this is your goal. Get out . . . be social, befriend many girls. Girls want to feel special. When they see that your "time with one girl" is scarce and valuable, they will put MORE EFFORT to be with you. This might take some time to set up but you seem pretty social and I bet it will come pretty easily for you. Do this and you will never hear, "Well, I can't do anything else with you but I might have lunch with you . . ."