I just realized something horrible, or perhaps kind of cool, I don't know yet.

Se I see myself as a rather successful PUA, my game is solid and most of the time I succeed with my challenges, Thing is tho, I look resonably good, which means that I always had to do a little less work than some other PUAs and the other day I was sitting down thinking about my previous successes and I came to realize..

I have a solid way to open, I run a smooth midgame and I'm fast at closing the phone numbers but when it comes to Kiss and F-clos I kind of take it as it comes, I guess I use my appearance or charm if you want to put it that way. I have also studied a lot of NLP and know how to affect others oppinions

BUT

I don't think I know or have ever even tried any kino escalation routine, seriously, never!
So my question is, what routines are there?
Could anyone write a few down or post which books I could read to learn some

Thanks

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Slywalker

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Yeah. Some basics:

1- Always do kino. within 15-30 seconds in a set you should be starting light kino, for starters.

2- Always do kino and escalate in pikes of positive emotions. this creates a subconcient relation between your touch and her feeling good. e.g. when she's laughing, having fun, etc. (NLP principles)

3- The classic 1 step forward, 2 steps back. This means, escalate 1 step at the time while she's being receptive. As soon as you feel any tension or defiance, take 2 steps back and punish her a little.

4- Amount of kino: All in all we kino the same way always, what variates is the speed this steps take place. For one night stands, you go really fast, almost caveman, with the intention of arousing her as fast as possible. For day game, take things reaaaally slow, as they are not in social mode (unlike when in a club) and there are greater distances. still, you have to kino in day game.

5- No Kino = Friend Zone or LJBF in the end. So think twice before thinking "I'll wait for a more auspicious time".

6- When the time to Kiss close (all in all part of kino) comes, DONT DELAY IT. Past that certain point two things can happen:

-You kissed her: The chemistry and naturality interaction will gradually grow depending on your level of game.

-You DIDNT kissed her: The interaction and communication between you two will grow cold and strangers-like. it all depends on the girl: some will be your friends (stuck in FZ), and some will be reluctant of answering a simple question (I speak for own experience haha)

The window of action one has from the optimal time of kiss close will depend on how hot the girl is (HB9-10s will have little patience, 6-7s will wait a while, 1-2s can wait 40 years hahaha)

this last point 6 is still a theory at test of my own (although I believe in it)

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Thanks, this makes a lot of sense, any good reads recommended?

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Slywalker

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Go to you tube and watch the Lance on Kino series. It's 10 videos of Lance Mason teaching kino.

eyecontact is importent

don't seem to be concentrated on the touch

15-30 seconds eh? I know this sounds lame but my first form of kino is a high five XD.

I'd be guessing small touches on the arm/shoulders is the place to start. like "I gotta go in a sec -taps arm- but blah blah..."

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AWESOME tips.

to keep it simple i would just add that kino escalation should be done exactly as it means (through ESCALATION). think about what escalation means. it means being progressive towards a goal, and getting there step by step. don't rush, and don't go too slow. you have to escalate at the rate the situation calls for. finding this balance will give you a lot of success.

wow Slywalker I think im in the exact same situation as you - plenty of success with pua, pretty good looking / able to do all the social proofing but when it comes to kiss closing and further i feel like my kino escalation is pretty lacking which makes things a bit harder even though i still do get kiss closes ect regardless.

Nice fucking post.
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